Path: csiph.com!feeder.erje.net!1.us.feeder.erje.net!news.ripco.com!news.glorb.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2016 13:59:07 -0500 Message-ID: <57F69F36.1985@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2016 12:00:06 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,alt.astronomy Subject: Re: 1st Mars Colonists Should Be 'Prepared to Die,' Elon Musk Says References: <1lmuydu4994g5$.t4fzrb70tyvg.dlg@40tude.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 79 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-GSwe3YxNeiV0RS08BJ7Qk7Vdl1OocCachJzRCwpkUJ8HLGbx/skjTvYziyzgAXEK+6xKBd9SIrPiiUY!qtID30guLid4K516Q6ZjX5S5HsLaIttxohzNloutkh/nhpJvbIMfPj0Lcgvji8EadiFccN7R6twa!iBlhNz3Esn0= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 4487 X-Received-Bytes: 4578 X-Received-Body-CRC: 3534146148 Xref: csiph.com rec.arts.sf.written:453166 sci.physics:599731 alt.astronomy:286619 Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote: > > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote in > news:a00hcd-432.ln1@mail.specsol.com: > > > In sci.physics David DeLaney wrote: > >> On 2016-10-05, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com > >> wrote: > >>> In sci.physics David DeLaney > >>> wrote: > >>>> On 2016-10-05, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> In sci.physics Don Bruder wrote: > >>>> Oh sure, move the goalposts. You said "on Earth". Not "on the > >>>> land portions of Earth". And we haven't even gotten to my > >>>> first choice yet, which would satisfy the latter. > >>> > >>> And that would be where and how many people would want to live > >>> there? > >> > >> You'd be just as ignorant about it, I fear. There's no large > >> native mammals, if that helps you any. > > > > Information free arm waving. > > > >>>>>>> What is difficult about running a pipe to the surface and > >>>>>>> an air pump for air and a boat to the nearest store for > >>>>>>> beer and other sundries? > >>>> > >>>> Tell me, does the distance "32 feet" mean anything to you in > >>>> this context? How about a "Torricellian vacuum"? > >>> > >>> Not in the context of an underwater structure. > >>> > >>> Does the term "submarine snorkel" mean anything to you? > >> > >> ... Go look up how long submarine snorkels ARE, and how close > >> to the surface one needs to be to use one, please. Sheesh. > > > > Yes, because submarines MOVE and much over 5 or 6 knots folds > > the tube. > > > > A fixed habitat does not have that issue. > > > >>>>> You have yet to define any real challenge to being under > >>>>> water on Earth. > >>>> > >>>> Anyone want to clue him in on the ones OTHER than "there's no > >>>> AIR there, dude"? > >>> > >>> Anyone want to explain how an air pump on the surface works? > >> > >> Anyone want to explain WHY I invoked "32 feet", up there, to > >> him? It's basic physics... which he seems to not have ever > >> encountered. > > > > Anyone want to explain the difference a sucking pump and a > > pushing pump? > > > > Off the shelf compressors can easily achive greater than 18,000 > > psi. > > > > What is 18,000 psi in feet of water? > > > > The pressure inside a closed container has zero correlation with > > the depth of the container if it is underwater. > > > > Bathyspheres go down to 3,000 feet. > > > There is so much cluelessness in this conversation - by eveyrone - > I don't even know where to start. It's not called "clulessness" Stupid, it's called 'incomplete information'. Like when your mother was raped by your father she had no idea she would give birth to a Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy. Otherwise she would have taken an umbrella and had an abortion!