Path: csiph.com!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Starmaker Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: The ProbabilityWave is _virtual_, not physical. Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 10:31:20 -0700 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 32 Message-ID: <57B34DE8.6606@ix.netcom.com> References: <3a0acbf8-5c2f-4e8e-877d-1b1899996a04@googlegroups.com> <82c39daf-d7f2-4563-a3d0-36e74110f3c8@googlegroups.com> <57b23ba8$0$43881$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com> Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: X9ItFNC7Zcz4l6MobL/YRA.user.gioia.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:593386 sci.physics.relativity:390120 rec.arts.sf.written:448598 Tom Roberts wrote: > > On 8/15/16 8/15/16 5:01 PM, benj wrote: > > The problem [...] isn't that people use statistics to obtain some measure of > > knowledge where before there was total ignorance. The problem comes when one > > starts saying that such probabilities are ALL that it is possible for humans to > > know. How can any human make such a statement? What possible basis could one > > have to justify it. > > By having mathematical theorems that state that certain observable aspects of > the world cannot be accurately described by models without inherent randomness > [#]. And then observing those aspects. Look up the Bell inequalities and the > various tests of them. > > [#] A summary of the theorems, not a statement of them. > > > Superpowers are the only possible way one could know such a > > thing. > > "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -- > Arthur C. Clarke. I looked at your "sufficiently advanced technology", ...I opened up the IBM PC, looked inside...and there was no magic. It's junk now. All "sufficiently advanced technology" becomes just junk. But, but..if you're talking about "sufficiently advanced technology" created by aliens from outer space...sorry, i don't read science fiction books.