Path: csiph.com!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 14:16:44 -0500 Message-ID: <57659E45.4EEC@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 12:17:25 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.atheism,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.arts.sf.written Subject: Re: FAITH References: <16t7mb1ce8o3c938ske7lchbsket5og8rl@4ax.com> <70f9mb17ob4o2n51j7rkutlhrq4c53hkq3@4ax.com> <22eambddcqj1lmhrl33dj4hltj9cjef5sh@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 125 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-HCCCPiIqb0QC+GHtLAjxK85e0Oe+LomucpLMeGgVv/PTccynPnEM9ZXlMfwt2c1NsfBkzGI+LY27f95!Ak9icOXXyMsySwctuLkekTZOAwUG6962EugKtJM7XcGeGMg1BjgGnCIlP7GryZydmnXSyTYegyO1!ujzSNPkdTZE= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 6459 X-Received-Bytes: 6550 X-Received-Body-CRC: 3797222187 Xref: csiph.com alt.atheism:2127547 sci.physics:585511 sci.physics.relativity:386149 rec.arts.sf.written:442578 Wally W. wrote: > > On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 06:23:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > >In article <22eambddcqj1lmhrl33dj4hltj9cjef5sh@4ax.com>, > > Wally W. wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:58:19 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> > >> >In article , > >> > Wally W. wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:42:20 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >In article <70f9mb17ob4o2n51j7rkutlhrq4c53hkq3@4ax.com>, > >> >> > Wally W. wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:26:17 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >In article <16t7mb1ce8o3c938ske7lchbsket5og8rl@4ax.com>, > >> >> >> > Wally W. wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >In article , > >> >> >> >> > Wally W. wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >In article <77q7mb5dlj4lg60vgb84g3at41j6l863eq@4ax.com>, > >> >> >> >> >> > Wally W. wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:47:44 +0000 (UTC), Smiler wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Science doesn't need faith, it has ....evidence. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Why would one look for evidence if they didn't have faith that > >> >> >> >> >> >> evidence might be found? > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >Who says they have any such faith? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Who says they don't? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the > >> >> >> >> >> basement? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than > >> >> >> >> >> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction > >> >> >> >> >you > >> >> >> >> >try. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> What evidence? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> If you had evidence, you would have the keys. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> How do you know a raccoon hasn't carried the keys from your basement > >> >> >> >> to your neighbor's roof? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Wow, you're really desperate, aren't you? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The weakness of your position > >> >> > > >> >> >What "weakness"? > >> >> >\ > >> >> > >> >> It was illustrated in the parts of the post you snipped. > >> >> > >> >> Why did you snip the parts you didn't like? > >> >> > >> >> If you don't know where the keys are, you don't know that a raccoon > >> >> didn't run off with them. > >> > > >> >What is your obsession with raccoons? > >> > >> What is your obsession with trying to deflect? > >> > >> You are desperate to reset the conversation to a point where you can > >> take some new approach aren't you? > >> > >> You got pwnd in the argument as it unfolded and now you are trying to > >> run away with attempts to to make light of irrelevant minutia. > >> > >> Here is where you started running in earnest (after the warmup with at > >> least one previous wannabe-deflecting question): > >> > >> :On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 09:04:28 -0400, Wally W. wrote: > >> :>On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:41:24 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> :>>In article , > >> :>> Wally W. wrote: > >> :>>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:07 -0700, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > >> :>>> Do you look for your keys on the roof if you lost them in the > >> :>>> basement? > >> :>>> Without faith that the results might be better in one place than > >> :>>> another, why not pick a spot at random to start the search? > >> :>>Because the evidence you already have points you in the direction you > >> :>>try. > >> :>What evidence? > >> > >> You didn't answer that question. Why not? Maybe because it was a > >> bullshit claim. > >> > >> If your faith in your reconstruction of events from your fallible > >> memory points you to searching in the basement, what is your > >> "evidence" that the keys are still there? > > > >Finding them there. > > Now you're time traveling. And you called me desperate for mentioning > a raccoon. > > Taking things a step at a time for those among us who are the slow, > and in chronological order for those without a time machine: > > 1. You lost your keys (for the exceptionally slow among us, that means > you don't know where they are -- in the present). > 2. Why would you look for your keys in the basement without faith that > you might find them there? > Why would she would look in the basement if there is more light on the roof?