Path: csiph.com!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!peer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 01:27:21 -0500 Message-ID: <574A8BE7.4AEE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2016 23:27:51 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,sci.math Subject: Re: How to be a "real" scientist. References: <574747ce$0$45348$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com> <5747e91f$0$57955$c3e8da3$c8b7d2e6@news.astraweb.com> <99270511-bf74-40f4-92f4-8f7340bdea12@googlegroups.com> <5749F99D.937@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 66 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-HT9r5jhi/XhRWOtmUlMnqf8UrC6VJ21RGjR7l+ms3JtUs584kjxAdfZKpdHNbC8PkJ0Cv7p620XlkN5!8AkIl2ZnvP0sZFkmPmhBFmRJp7S2b4ABmW3Wc748jFTN3jxWCQkTmzObi+DEkSOE+SFpgfcUpwWF!UOmePA0oYCg= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 3242 X-Received-Bytes: 3354 X-Received-Body-CRC: 785812724 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:581394 sci.physics.relativity:384534 sci.math:334879 JanPB wrote: > > On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 1:03:31 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > JanPB wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 11:26:41 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote: > > > > > > > > It is legal to criticise whatever you like in physics (or any other > > > > science). > > > > > > > > But your critique will not get very far. Especially inside such > > > > locked-in communities critique will not be heard, since the insiders > > > > have no interest in listening to challenging statements from outside. > > > > > > No. It doesn't work that way. The reality is that _in fact_ there are no "challenging statements" > > > in physics (or mathematics) "from the outside" to speak of(*). Physics and mathematics have > > > evolved to the point where a significant amount of time and honest work is required to even > > > understand the subject fully, let alone contribute to it. > > > > > > So the people "inside" can tell right away that such "challenges" are worthless but the > > > "challengers" cannot understand why. Instead, they claim some weird "conspiracies" and > > > vent on the Internet. > > > > > > (*) except philosophical > > > > > > -- > > > Jan > > > > That is complete garbage! > > > > > > Real physics comes from...'understanding' without the mathematics. > > Without understanding the mathematics you have no understanding of physics. > > -- > Jan I understand... 'this thing of yours'.. this invention yous call...Math, is just another language yous invented. But, you're under an illusion that it's real. You are sooo close to the math trees, that you have to climb mountains and bigger moutains in order to see the math forest. You're in a mandelbrot. http://guciek.github.io/web_mandelbrot.html The more you click the deeper you fall in the more complicated it gets...you become, infected.