Path: csiph.com!au2pb.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 17:32:59 -0600 Message-ID: <563BE747.35C0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 15:33:27 -0800 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: Some Facts about Space, Time and Infinity References: <782dneKkEqmth6vLnZ2dnUU7-SudnZ2d@giganews.com> <8OadnZXPpr_h_6vLnZ2dnUU7-X2dnZ2d@giganews.com> <250d3bhbttdblk1c6pdpdrlo1o6eekvglu@4ax.com> <9ute3btuoj7n1g2nfonnsgghf0eaap3f9h@4ax.com> <91gf3b1073u9v03ejqdclsqv3ai7d9c32u@4ax.com> <956b06d2-95d2-4fdf-9ec8-7245c4e1f72c@googlegroups.com> <63c0fed5-65bb-4a1b-a364-d0d9870fef60@googlegroups.com> <563ACC57.63ED@ix.netcom.com> <1a6ce0c8-2bbe-4d84-bbad-53b97fcc4358@googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 94 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 45.49.183.72 X-Trace: sv3-wEj1uPg43MxIiFKINQddyuWXAQjZnDhl2Sg9E4QBAxMDwWS/sCvw8cVsPq8ToRQTxo6qMtOz5B7RUn4!xEeXxzaAWbtQYxDPp/Nsq3dW8+eGotovVzPmF+oJR6U3ftAcfnQrncYnDE0wO679zSM+VQumc/5a!coRlKyAJ X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 5773 X-Received-Bytes: 5885 X-Received-Body-CRC: 1994537363 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:530637 Ross A. Finlayson wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 7:25:51 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: > > Ross A. Finlayson wrote: > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 9:42:53 AM UTC-8, Sam Wormley wrote: > > > > On 11/4/15 8:07 AM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote: > > > > > I wonder how you'd entertain that gravity is > > > > > actually repulsive from the edges of the universe, > > > > > and that mass occludes it as a force, so, then > > > > > objects are drawn together locally as the block > > > > > each other out (then that this matches attractive > > > > > gravity up to basically the same sphere of influence). > > > > > Then gravity is a feature of the substrate instead of > > > > > the bodies, which are defined by the nuclear force(s). > > > > > > > > > > > > I hate to break this to you, Ross, but the universe doesn't > > > > have edges. > > > > > > > > No Center > > > > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html > > > > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html > > > > > > > > Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial > > > > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm > > > > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html > > > > http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html > > > > > > > > WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory > > > > http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html > > > > > > > > WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology > > > > http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html > > > > > > > > > > The universe is effectively infinite and unbounded, yes. > > > > > > You mean mathematically speaking and philoshphy speaking, but it sure > > ain't Science speaking. > > It's courtesy a "mathematical universe hypothesis", > then that all the physical objects (eg field elements > are mathematical objects) as are the functions between > them (that are also field elements) and etcetera ad > infinitum that there are thusly _infinitely many_ > physical objects in the universe courtesy reason > and definition. > > So, this is under science, in reasoning, with that the > objects in the universe, have that there are infinitely > many different ones in all the diverse combinations and > all theirs ad infinitum. > > That follows from the definition of a universe and > unboundedly many things in it: there are infinitely > many things in it. There isn't an upper bound on > any upper bound. This is also true or we'd all be in > the same reference frame, and all one thing. > > Then, it's the philosophical/theoretical that the > Continuum is infinite, then that simple principles > of reserve so define the laws of the mathematical > universe then for the physical universe (then that > estimated or predicted results are to be rejected > or not in hypothesis testing, in the scientific > method). > > You're right in that scientists are only allowed > and allowing science, including correct experimental > design and etcetera. > > To then actually _prove_ the nature of the Universe > or its features would necessarily follow from a > consistent, complete, and complete purely mathematically > logical theory that then is also scientific, or a > Real Theory of Everything. (I call this A-Theory and > the Null Axiom Theory, it is an axiomless system of > natural deduction, and follows from simple logical > principles of constancy and variety, and diversity in > variety, and uniformity in diversity, for a Continuum.) > > Then features as of this "Continuum Infinitesimal > Analysis" is in the mathematical part for real > analysis, somewhat above the total underpinnings > of all theory. (Also it's shown that it so results.) > > It's OK for science to have the universe having > infinitely many things in it and to be infinite, > as it is unbounded (else there wouldn't be a "we"). so, what is the age of this infinite universe of we?