Path: csiph.com!au2pb.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 01:27:14 -0500 Message-ID: <55FFA343.26CC@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 23:27:15 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics References: <55FC4ECF.5C5E@ix.netcom.com> <1maz02q.bglsl6byw589N%csampson@inetworld.net> <1mazvbx.9pua2ougtjk2N%csampson@inetworld.net> <55FE4F8F.6150@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 156 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 45.49.183.72 X-Trace: sv3-R24wGUSqhvRODseEkmgk7YpXrIBWcjG+fORU+HCz79mkxXKW6SmjA1X/mAI38UApsCnqliou/x846J0!sWYTU6ikK2UjDqHqczfH+6V0hg5SbQjkJDL3H19v4FPVqKFxSGndOkYP4JRyBHcUw6LEIuoNNQUo!WQBaqjo7 X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 8932 X-Received-Bytes: 9044 X-Received-Body-CRC: 1665404683 Xref: csiph.com rec.arts.sf.written:423291 sci.physics:522438 sci.physics.relativity:364802 rec.arts.tv:937245 J. Clarke wrote: > > In article , > anim8rfsk@cox.net says... > > > > In article <55FE4F8F.6150@ix.netcom.com>, > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > benj wrote: > > > > > > > > On 09/19/2015 06:00 PM, Rhino wrote: > > > > > On 2015-09-19 5:43 PM, J. Clarke wrote: > > > > >> In article , none@gmail.com says... > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On 09/19/2015 02:57 PM, Charles H. Sampson wrote: > > > > >>>> J. Clarke wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> In article <1maz02q.bglsl6byw589N%csampson@inetworld.net>, > > > > >>>>> csampson@inetworld.net says... > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> FPP wrote: > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> On 2015-09-18 18:53:35 +0000, benj said: > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> You said it Starmaker. Hey censorship of political speech as > > > > >>>>>>>> well as > > > > >>>>>>>> political prisoners is the traditional way of all Banana > > > > >>>>>>>> Republics, of > > > > >>>>>>>> which we have obviously become one. As I understand it, the favored > > > > >>>>>>>> method is dropping deniers out Helicopters > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> You DO realize that being ASKED to do something isn't the same as > > > > >>>>>>> actually DOING it, right? > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Has anybody actually looked at the two-page petition (one-page plus > > > > >>>>>> signatures) cited by the OP? It doesn't ask Obama to prosecute > > > > >>>>>> anybody. > > > > >>>>>> It is a petition in support of an action proposed by a Senator: to > > > > >>>>>> conduct a RICO investigation of groups denying climate change to > > > > >>>>>> see if > > > > >>>>>> they are obfuscating established science for their profit and to the > > > > >>>>>> detriment of people in general. as the tobacco companies did. If the > > > > >>>>>> investigation concludes that that's what they're doing, > > > > >>>>>> prosecution can > > > > >>>>>> follow. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> ... > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> If there's no intent to prosecute then why investigate? > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> They obviously intend to prosecute if the investigation turns up useful > > > > >>>> evidence of wrongdoing. Otherwise, as you say, why prosecute? > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> RICO is a witch-hunting tool. Once the investigation starts they're > > > > >>>>> going to find a witch whether there is one or not. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> A pretty cynical assessment. RICO was enacted as a tool against > > > > >>>> organized crime. It was subsequently discovered that it could be > > > > >>>> used in > > > > >>>> other areas. Such uses have withstood the test of time. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Charlie > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Cynical? What I call cynical is your assessment that using a law passed > > > > >>> to fight organized crime to attack corporations selling a legal > > > > >>> federally regulated product like tobacco or guns to further some leftist > > > > >>> Lib agenda isn't a witch-hunt and abuse of power. The fact that you > > > > >>> commies have managed to "get away" with your "we know what is best for > > > > >>> you" agenda in no way changes how dishonest it is. > > > > >> > > > > >> You know that calling them "commies" is an insult to commies don't you? > > > > >> Talk to some people who grew up under Communism (half the people I work > > > > >> with did) and you'll find that oppressive as it was, it didn't have the > > > > >> kind of individualized micromanagment that the US seems to be bent on > > > > >> implementing (they micromanaged themselves to destruction, but it was > > > > >> micromanagement on a grand scale, not the "mow your lawn or we'll throw > > > > >> you in jail" kind that is becoming popular in the US). We think we're > > > > >> "better" than they were because we don't shoot dissidents (we apparently > > > > >> reserve that for unarmed teenagers). But we have a higher percentage of > > > > >> our population locked up than the Soviets or the Chinese ever managed > > > > >> and nobody seems to see anything wrong with that except the people who > > > > >> are locked up. > > > > >> > > > > > Have you read Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago? He states clearly that > > > > > only 1 in 7 of the people who were sent to the gulag survived their > > > > > sentences. > > > > > In another book, Under the Rubble, written with a fellow political > > > > > prisoner named Igor Shafarevich, he writes that he is absolutely CERTAIN > > > > > 20 million people were sent to the Gulag and thinks it may well have > > > > > been as many as 120 million people. If you then apply the 6-in-7 death > > > > > rate, then AT LEAST 17 million people died there and as many as 102 > > > > > million people. > > > > > > > > > > Do you *seriously* mean to tell me that the US has more than 20 million > > > > > people locked up, let alone 120 million? If so, you are in serious need > > > > > of some reading time to bone up on your facts. > > > > > > > > All the Guinness World Records for Genocide are Held by communist > > > > states. People like to use Hitler as an example, but he was a rank > > > > amateur when it came to murdering your own people. Commies showed how > > > > it's done! > > > > > > > > > But they learned how it's done by watching Americans kill one hundred > > > million people called....indians. > > > > Aside from the part where that's an out and out lie, you don't have a > > point. > > He never has a point. Does the universe have a point? Then why should I?? The point is, there is no point. > However just for the record, it wasn't > "Americans" that killed huge number of "Indians", it was the Spanish, > who introducted smallpox and other diseases, and in fairness to the > Spanish, they had no clue that that was going to happen--I don't think > they even understood the notion of "infectious disease" in any > meaningful way, let alone notions like "healthy carrier" and "no > immunity". Not saying they wouldn't have done it if they had known, but > they didn't so the point is moot. By the time "Americans" came along, > those "Indians" were long since dead. Quit a lot of nasty stuff was > done to the survivors, but that's another story. "Quite a lot of nasty stuff was done to the survivors, but that's another story." Where do I start, at the beginning or the end: https://www.google.com/#q=the+indian+removal+act The goal of every president was to 'remove the indians', by any means necessary. American Holocaust: D. Stannard (Oxford Press, 1992) – “over 100 million killed” “[Christopher] Columbus personally murdered half a million Natives” “Hitler’s concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America’s extermination – by starvation and uneven combat – of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.” — P. 202, “Adolph Hitler” by John Toland