Path: csiph.com!xmission!news.glorb.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 02:05:51 -0500 Message-ID: <55FE5AF4.4107@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 00:06:28 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics References: <55FC4ECF.5C5E@ix.netcom.com> <1maz02q.bglsl6byw589N%csampson@inetworld.net> <1mazvbx.9pua2ougtjk2N%csampson@inetworld.net> <55FE4F8F.6150@ix.netcom.com> <55FE59BB.2032@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 131 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 45.49.183.72 X-Trace: sv3-MCyeoo5HzOgcMmRzeiyxIw5ISPDwzXpdvYVtwMMqcov9nfipByRcahNy9Ptu2ZGkOL4kaO5HqlM7Jaw!zIGCukHLH42LOIK1qQ1urNTH1Hxf63XsI3WI5/8uHFmDz0igoMRbo+2GCLQjvQpKpMMxmGuyfbZI!vUMp/jIy X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 8034 Xref: csiph.com rec.arts.sf.written:423198 sci.physics:522166 sci.physics.relativity:364684 rec.arts.tv:936938 The Starmaker wrote: > > anim8rfsk wrote: > > > > In article <55FE4F8F.6150@ix.netcom.com>, > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > benj wrote: > > > > > > > > On 09/19/2015 06:00 PM, Rhino wrote: > > > > > On 2015-09-19 5:43 PM, J. Clarke wrote: > > > > >> In article , none@gmail.com says... > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On 09/19/2015 02:57 PM, Charles H. Sampson wrote: > > > > >>>> J. Clarke wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> In article <1maz02q.bglsl6byw589N%csampson@inetworld.net>, > > > > >>>>> csampson@inetworld.net says... > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> FPP wrote: > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> On 2015-09-18 18:53:35 +0000, benj said: > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>> You said it Starmaker. Hey censorship of political speech as > > > > >>>>>>>> well as > > > > >>>>>>>> political prisoners is the traditional way of all Banana > > > > >>>>>>>> Republics, of > > > > >>>>>>>> which we have obviously become one. As I understand it, the favored > > > > >>>>>>>> method is dropping deniers out Helicopters > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> You DO realize that being ASKED to do something isn't the same as > > > > >>>>>>> actually DOING it, right? > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> Has anybody actually looked at the two-page petition (one-page plus > > > > >>>>>> signatures) cited by the OP? It doesn't ask Obama to prosecute > > > > >>>>>> anybody. > > > > >>>>>> It is a petition in support of an action proposed by a Senator: to > > > > >>>>>> conduct a RICO investigation of groups denying climate change to > > > > >>>>>> see if > > > > >>>>>> they are obfuscating established science for their profit and to the > > > > >>>>>> detriment of people in general. as the tobacco companies did. If the > > > > >>>>>> investigation concludes that that's what they're doing, > > > > >>>>>> prosecution can > > > > >>>>>> follow. > > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> ... > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> If there's no intent to prosecute then why investigate? > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> They obviously intend to prosecute if the investigation turns up useful > > > > >>>> evidence of wrongdoing. Otherwise, as you say, why prosecute? > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> RICO is a witch-hunting tool. Once the investigation starts they're > > > > >>>>> going to find a witch whether there is one or not. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> A pretty cynical assessment. RICO was enacted as a tool against > > > > >>>> organized crime. It was subsequently discovered that it could be > > > > >>>> used in > > > > >>>> other areas. Such uses have withstood the test of time. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Charlie > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Cynical? What I call cynical is your assessment that using a law passed > > > > >>> to fight organized crime to attack corporations selling a legal > > > > >>> federally regulated product like tobacco or guns to further some leftist > > > > >>> Lib agenda isn't a witch-hunt and abuse of power. The fact that you > > > > >>> commies have managed to "get away" with your "we know what is best for > > > > >>> you" agenda in no way changes how dishonest it is. > > > > >> > > > > >> You know that calling them "commies" is an insult to commies don't you? > > > > >> Talk to some people who grew up under Communism (half the people I work > > > > >> with did) and you'll find that oppressive as it was, it didn't have the > > > > >> kind of individualized micromanagment that the US seems to be bent on > > > > >> implementing (they micromanaged themselves to destruction, but it was > > > > >> micromanagement on a grand scale, not the "mow your lawn or we'll throw > > > > >> you in jail" kind that is becoming popular in the US). We think we're > > > > >> "better" than they were because we don't shoot dissidents (we apparently > > > > >> reserve that for unarmed teenagers). But we have a higher percentage of > > > > >> our population locked up than the Soviets or the Chinese ever managed > > > > >> and nobody seems to see anything wrong with that except the people who > > > > >> are locked up. > > > > >> > > > > > Have you read Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago? He states clearly that > > > > > only 1 in 7 of the people who were sent to the gulag survived their > > > > > sentences. > > > > > In another book, Under the Rubble, written with a fellow political > > > > > prisoner named Igor Shafarevich, he writes that he is absolutely CERTAIN > > > > > 20 million people were sent to the Gulag and thinks it may well have > > > > > been as many as 120 million people. If you then apply the 6-in-7 death > > > > > rate, then AT LEAST 17 million people died there and as many as 102 > > > > > million people. > > > > > > > > > > Do you *seriously* mean to tell me that the US has more than 20 million > > > > > people locked up, let alone 120 million? If so, you are in serious need > > > > > of some reading time to bone up on your facts. > > > > > > > > All the Guinness World Records for Genocide are Held by communist > > > > states. People like to use Hitler as an example, but he was a rank > > > > amateur when it came to murdering your own people. Commies showed how > > > > it's done! > > > > > > > > > But they learned how it's done by watching Americans kill one hundred > > > million people called....indians. > > > > Aside from the part where that's an out and out lie, you don't have a > > point. > > > > The North American Indians: > > Estimates on the American Indian population before European contact > range from between 2 and 18 million. By 1890, only 250,000 native Americans remained. > (1) The total death toll has been estimated at around 100 million American Indians from the time of Columbus' > arrival to the end of the Indian Wars 400 years later. > > - “Over 100 million killed”. (D. Stannard. American Holocaust. 1992. Oxford Press) > > http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/americanindians.htm > > (i forgot to mention i'm an expert on the subject of the American Holocaust) > > (so don't even think about challenging me cause you're not going to like the...Truth) of course they killed a lot of indians on TV... I don't know how many indians John Wayne killed... but there was a time when all you saw on TV was cowboys killing indians. i wonder why they stopped?