Path: csiph.com!au2pb.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!peer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 01:17:16 -0500 Message-ID: <55FE4F8F.6150@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 23:17:51 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics References: <55FC4ECF.5C5E@ix.netcom.com> <1maz02q.bglsl6byw589N%csampson@inetworld.net> <1mazvbx.9pua2ougtjk2N%csampson@inetworld.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 97 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 45.49.183.72 X-Trace: sv3-NuS+eSFZF4O2hTvzrSQgcw/6Nx6x1dWOrJBDNnku2xTvVhUeDPKK68/fambkRe/AyxdIwvqOrbfH2KX!5u0tIniEFEaQHwK6cFnQVZqD8yMrcA5nMAoc+TyRAbzEUPQT5fW9TXBHKeKxz2PF923CuWhRsgyz!STpNpS+r X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 6172 X-Received-Bytes: 6284 X-Received-Body-CRC: 443110888 Xref: csiph.com rec.arts.sf.written:423194 sci.physics:522160 sci.physics.relativity:364680 rec.arts.tv:936925 benj wrote: > > On 09/19/2015 06:00 PM, Rhino wrote: > > On 2015-09-19 5:43 PM, J. Clarke wrote: > >> In article , none@gmail.com says... > >>> > >>> On 09/19/2015 02:57 PM, Charles H. Sampson wrote: > >>>> J. Clarke wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> In article <1maz02q.bglsl6byw589N%csampson@inetworld.net>, > >>>>> csampson@inetworld.net says... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> FPP wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 2015-09-18 18:53:35 +0000, benj said: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You said it Starmaker. Hey censorship of political speech as > >>>>>>>> well as > >>>>>>>> political prisoners is the traditional way of all Banana > >>>>>>>> Republics, of > >>>>>>>> which we have obviously become one. As I understand it, the favored > >>>>>>>> method is dropping deniers out Helicopters > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You DO realize that being ASKED to do something isn't the same as > >>>>>>> actually DOING it, right? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Has anybody actually looked at the two-page petition (one-page plus > >>>>>> signatures) cited by the OP? It doesn't ask Obama to prosecute > >>>>>> anybody. > >>>>>> It is a petition in support of an action proposed by a Senator: to > >>>>>> conduct a RICO investigation of groups denying climate change to > >>>>>> see if > >>>>>> they are obfuscating established science for their profit and to the > >>>>>> detriment of people in general. as the tobacco companies did. If the > >>>>>> investigation concludes that that's what they're doing, > >>>>>> prosecution can > >>>>>> follow. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ... > >>>>> > >>>>> If there's no intent to prosecute then why investigate? > >>>> > >>>> They obviously intend to prosecute if the investigation turns up useful > >>>> evidence of wrongdoing. Otherwise, as you say, why prosecute? > >>>> > >>>>> RICO is a witch-hunting tool. Once the investigation starts they're > >>>>> going to find a witch whether there is one or not. > >>>> > >>>> A pretty cynical assessment. RICO was enacted as a tool against > >>>> organized crime. It was subsequently discovered that it could be > >>>> used in > >>>> other areas. Such uses have withstood the test of time. > >>>> > >>>> Charlie > >>> > >>> Cynical? What I call cynical is your assessment that using a law passed > >>> to fight organized crime to attack corporations selling a legal > >>> federally regulated product like tobacco or guns to further some leftist > >>> Lib agenda isn't a witch-hunt and abuse of power. The fact that you > >>> commies have managed to "get away" with your "we know what is best for > >>> you" agenda in no way changes how dishonest it is. > >> > >> You know that calling them "commies" is an insult to commies don't you? > >> Talk to some people who grew up under Communism (half the people I work > >> with did) and you'll find that oppressive as it was, it didn't have the > >> kind of individualized micromanagment that the US seems to be bent on > >> implementing (they micromanaged themselves to destruction, but it was > >> micromanagement on a grand scale, not the "mow your lawn or we'll throw > >> you in jail" kind that is becoming popular in the US). We think we're > >> "better" than they were because we don't shoot dissidents (we apparently > >> reserve that for unarmed teenagers). But we have a higher percentage of > >> our population locked up than the Soviets or the Chinese ever managed > >> and nobody seems to see anything wrong with that except the people who > >> are locked up. > >> > > Have you read Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago? He states clearly that > > only 1 in 7 of the people who were sent to the gulag survived their > > sentences. > > In another book, Under the Rubble, written with a fellow political > > prisoner named Igor Shafarevich, he writes that he is absolutely CERTAIN > > 20 million people were sent to the Gulag and thinks it may well have > > been as many as 120 million people. If you then apply the 6-in-7 death > > rate, then AT LEAST 17 million people died there and as many as 102 > > million people. > > > > Do you *seriously* mean to tell me that the US has more than 20 million > > people locked up, let alone 120 million? If so, you are in serious need > > of some reading time to bone up on your facts. > > All the Guinness World Records for Genocide are Held by communist > states. People like to use Hitler as an example, but he was a rank > amateur when it came to murdering your own people. Commies showed how > it's done! But they learned how it's done by watching Americans kill one hundred million people called....indians.