Path: csiph.com!au2pb.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 02:51:38 -0500 Message-ID: <55E0130E.359E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 00:51:42 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.atheism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. References: <6a1vtal9gaco5nogk3cmi9tm735gjd184v@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 95 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 45.49.183.72 X-Trace: sv3-yJwK608eOjOdCsKojbbE4GMN/48F/omwWaxF6SfJuNn+p9rVjNTKWapDwt0r+Idb9kqiISrqZxqnjgu!H1fzdnwxRP/KYwvSXjM56znbQUGlR6+Qah0sovkjB5nK9BWg8rLtvTBQXfs1Sg01HSs4wrsAz26G!i9yFe4wz X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 5810 Xref: csiph.com alt.atheism:1971631 rec.arts.sf.written:421305 sci.physics:517388 sci.physics.relativity:362058 bilgat@m.nu wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:33:48 -0400, Attila < > wrote: > > >On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:36:22 +0800, niunian in > >alt.atheism with message-id wrote: > > > >>On 2015-08-27 04:46 AM, Attila < wrote: > >>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 00:44:03 +0800, niunian in > >>> alt.atheism with message-id wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 2015-08-26 03:43 PM, Attila < wrote: > >>>>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 08:02:51 +0800, niunian in > >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-21 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's based on the knowledge of truth > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is universal. Anyone who possesses such knowledge will understand > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Anyone who doesn't yet know such knowledge needs to learn from it. A > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophical book doesn't need to be scientifically accurate. It only > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to reveal the truth it's trying to teach in its own way. It can > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk about bullshit, or make up a story, as long as it helps to explain > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the truth. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect we have entirely different definitions of truth, because > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your's sounds nothing like mine. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. I'm talking about the metaphysical truth other than the empirical > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth of scientific theory. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IOW, a 'truth' you can make up as you go along and which has no > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relationship to the real world. It is a 'truth' because you say it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How convenient for you. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all. I can never describe what the truth is. No one can. I can > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> only point you to the truth for you to find out yourself. The truth is > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> always self-evident and self-sufficient. The description of the truth > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> serves no purpose and is often misleading. People who find the truth > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will know and understand the truth all by themselves because the truth > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is universal to all people. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Batshit crazy and dogshit dumb. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> That's about the right response you should have, I'm sure. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> It fits. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Yes. It best reflects your mental condition, but I'm not really > >>>>>>>>>> discriminating. It's quite natural and normal. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I will leave it to the observer to decide who is batshit crazy and > >>>>>>>>> dogshit dumb here, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Don't worry. I'm sure one day you will understand what I'm talking > >>>>>>>> about. It's really quite simple. There is nothing fancy. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> There is nothing there. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There is nothing there for you to see, but there is something within for > >>>>>> you to realize. People spend their entire life by staring into a blank > >>>>>> wall, hoping one day something will rise from the within, so they can > >>>>>> call themselves the Sages. > >>>>> > >>>>> In their cases drugs and strong drink usually produce the desired > >>>>> results. > >>>> > >>>> I tend to give them the credit if their story is true and their effort > >>>> is genuine. > >>> > >>> > >>> How do you know if their story is true, and who cares about their > >>> effort? > >> > >>I don't know. I only wish them luck. > > > >So you admit they can all be lying and just making stuff up yet you > >have no idea if any of it is true or not. Then why bother even > >discussing it? > > damn atilla you and that ninnyian have been going at this for a while ninnyian could possibly be a 'religious leader' which means ninnyian doesn't believe in God, his job is simply to convince others God exist....while atilla job is to convince others God does not exist and God lives deep in his heart....he's seeking confirmation of God.