Path: csiph.com!optima2.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.glorb.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 14:22:13 -0500 Message-ID: <55C50568.3FD9@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:22:16 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.atheism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. References: <0ibprahc4d1ldolt1k411s0ja959r30nep@4ax.com> <2rnvral9oac39a445m9eejbogajcqahl3q@4ax.com> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 85 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 23.241.144.149 X-Trace: sv3-qm6JSgvsJMCoN91hjVHSEZzS+l/ZLhuurk9SM8KdByqowWDx5v9n9cg1b0XtxVoz5q8MEx9+qqEPrPf!JiIRv92aX/wEOip6V8EkdZ4vjMB6SzTJqy6eVaIBsiWxcllS8PXTCJQALOZT0Ndb3j7tDFOlKWCk!TE6ZHEcKRaw= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 4731 Xref: csiph.com alt.atheism:1955040 rec.arts.sf.written:419343 sci.physics:511774 sci.physics.relativity:359951 Attila < wrote: > > On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 00:00:35 -0700, The Starmaker > in alt.atheism with message-id > <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >Attila < wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > >> in alt.atheism with message-id > >> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Attila < wrote: > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke in > >> >> alt.atheism with message-id > >> >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > >> >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > >> >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > >> >> >>> etc. > >> >> >> > >> >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > >> >> > > >> >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > >> >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > >> >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > >> >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > >> >> connected to it? > >> >> > >> >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > >> >> > >> >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > >> > > >> > > >> >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > >> >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such > >> >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > >> >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > >> >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > >> >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > >> >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > >> >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > >> >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > >> >extinct at this day.” > >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > >> > >> It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > >> ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > >> verification from any other sources supporting him. > > > > > > > >How about this ....leading scholar? > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Jesus_Exist%3F_%28Ehrman%29 > > Many opinion but few verified independent facts. I don't think you're understanding what you're actually saying... there are things that happen in the past.. they are 'events'. The events as they happen are the evidence. They are historical events that happen a certain way. They are the recollections of people who existed as they remember them. Are you saying everyone is talking about a person who never existed????