Path: csiph.com!aioe.org!news.glorb.com!peer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 02:13:00 -0500 Message-ID: <55B4887D.45CC@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 00:13:01 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.astronomy,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.math Subject: Re: Earths References: <55B130D7.3849@ix.netcom.com> <55B1EC73.1A62@ix.netcom.com> <4dedbb6b-e2fa-4d9b-ad2c-3f3921da61b8@googlegroups.com> <55B3229A.41A9@ix.netcom.com> <15f3163f-ea1c-4908-ac8a-b042889fccfa@googlegroups.com> <55B437AA.749A@ix.netcom.com> <44e760f5-7dea-4ccb-84c4-39661703b762@googlegroups.com> <55B45B2A.694A@ix.netcom.com> <55B48026.7EAE@ix.netcom.com> <55B483FB.1598@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 81 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 23.241.144.149 X-Trace: sv3-MZd/S3zV9Cb0A6FjVoXiY0laoePhJMtQyrcjHs21jjR38L3aGYqZkCQQA1p8uZds6l4JXY9jI/P6cBa!gL1BeaS354dLRBW8b9Cn6QukhmjzIteSBCI9znXUxjST1mpqebja5scnwvBnrORH3CuL3R9Kep57!8t05M4fZvGI= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 4477 X-Received-Bytes: 4589 X-Received-Body-CRC: 1143895210 Xref: aioe.org alt.astronomy:271342 sci.physics:509534 sci.physics.relativity:358676 rec.arts.sf.written:417598 sci.math:312083 The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > alber wrote: > > > > > > On 7/25/2015 10:59 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > pnalsing@gmail.com wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > >>>>> this is drake's equation N = R* x fp x ne x fl x fi x fc x L > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >> > > > >> You don't have a scientific bone in your body and show yourself to > > > >> be an idiot over and over again. The Drake Equation is one of the > > > >> simplest concepts in all of science, and yet you apparently don't > > > >> have any chance to understand it. I was only trying to help you, > > > >> but that is like talking to a mud fence. As far as I am concerned, > > > >> you are on your own, and good riddance. > > > > > > > > > > > Okay...get ready to commit suicide...(there is a sale of blue razor > > > > blades at walmart...hurry.) > > > > > > > > N = R* x fp x ne x fl x fi x fc x L value of "ne" is 2 (according to > > > > Drake himself, and he was thinking of earth and mars) > > > > > > > > now, supose that number is wrong... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How many planets do you know that are > > > > > > > > "ecologically suitable for life"???? > > > > > > > > > > Lots, they have something like McDonald, and Wall marts, and Air > > > Condition places. Also they must have cars to get around the surface. > > > OR swim fins if it is all water. > > > Actually How could I know, I have only been on one. > > > > Here is how Drake thought: > > > > "In our own solar system there are several bodies > > that may be suitable for life of some sort: the Earth > > certainly, and perhaps Mars, Titan and Jupiter. Once > > life originates, it tends to be very adaptable and > > tenacious. There must be many different environments > > suitable for life in a given planetary system. But > > conservatively we choose ne=2." > > > > Now, Mars, Titan and Jupiter don't have a McDonald's.... > > so that means ne=2 is incorrect. > > > > Throw The Drake Equation into the garbage can where it belongs. It's garbage! > > The next Drake random variable is the number > ne of ‘‘Earth-type’’ planets in a given star system. Taking > example from the Solar System, since only the Earth is > truly ‘‘Earth-type’’, the mean value of > ne is clearly 1, but the standard deviation is not zero if we assume that Mars > also may be regarded as Earth-type. Since there are thus > two Earth-type planets in the Solar System, we must > assume a standard deviation of 1 =2 Earth and Mars. > > Now, does anybody here think Mars is "ecologically suitable for life"? > > Throw The Drake Equation into the garbage can where it belongs. It's garbage! > > Trash. I keep seeing the number 2 value for ne http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/54a472ad6da81119318b4569-960/drake%20equation%20table.png Throw The Drake Equation into the garbage can where it belongs. It's garbage!