Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns,sci.physics,alt.checkmate Subject: Re: 'Planetary emergency:' After 30 years, leaders are still fighting about climate change Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2018 18:07:33 -0000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 87 Sender: Jim Pennino Message-ID: <54b2ff-9ce.ln1@mail.specsol.com> References: <8kg0ff-rk8.ln1@mail.specsol.com> <7bu0ff-9t9.ln1@mail.specsol.com> Injection-Info: reader01.eternal-september.org; posting-host="0fa3d228b60954ddd285d3e4d0b2889a"; logging-data="21601"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+vturxTqjDwsCprfZ4A1jk" User-Agent: tin/2.2.1-20140504 ("Tober an Righ") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.10 (i86pc)) Cancel-Lock: sha1:wbNk3Ef8tWSw3sWJRQhNKKA2kvg= Xref: csiph.com talk.politics.guns:1149353 sci.physics:720202 alt.checkmate:240033 In sci.physics Snit wrote: > On 12/21/18 10:23 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> In sci.physics Snit wrote: >>> wrote: >>>> In sci.physics Snit wrote: >>>>> On 12/21/18 2:41 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>> In sci.physics Snit wrote: >>>>>>> On 12/21/18 1:29 PM, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>>>>>>> In sci.physics kensi wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hidden in the 133-page document agreed upon at the UN climate change >>>>>>>>> talks was a compromise that many consider an infuriating distraction: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/16/health/sutter-cop24-climate-talks/index.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 30 years of "the sky is falling" and no massive crop failures, no flooded >>>>>>>> cities, and no piles of bodies. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are seeing, roughly, the predicted outcomes. Now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why would you expect more, as you describe? >>>>>> >>>>>> I wouldn't expect more than what we are actually seeing, i.e. little >>>>>> to nothing and certainly nothing catastrophic. >>>>> >>>>> The fires and increased storms and loss of habitats and species is very >>>>> significant, I think. What makes you think those things are "little to >>>>> nothing"? >>>> >>>> None of which is siginificantly different from what has been happening >>>> for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. >>> >>> I would love to see evidence of that claim. >> >> A trivial look up. > > Then it should be easy for you to do. Show that the current reduction in > species is similar to what has been happening for "hundreds, if not > thousands, of years". > > Keep in mind what you say is "trivial" to find is contrary to the evidence. Yeah, sure. You could just kill yourself now and avoid the apocalypse. > http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/1/5/e1400253.full > >>>>>> However some people have been rending their shirts and crying the end >>>>>> is nigh as they wail about the coming tipping point for about 30 years. >>>>> >>>>> Some people? But you are not talking about the common scientific view? >>>> >>>> I'm talking about the people who have been rending their shirts and >>>> crying the end is nigh as they wail about the coming tipping point as >>>> they have been doing for about 30 years now. >>>> >>>> >>> So not the scientists researching climate. Fair enough. >> >> I never said anything about "scientists researching climate", why do >> you keep bringing it up? > > You keep talking about people speaking of climate. Who do you mean? > Seems not the scientists nor those who reference them, at least in > general... so who? > >> I'm talking about the people who have been rending their shirts and >> crying the end is nigh as they wail about the coming tipping point as >> they have been doing for about 30 years now. > > But you cannot say who... other than to note you do not mean the > scientists of every single scientific organization that has a position > on climate change. Not them. Nor those who base their views on the > findings of such scientists. But... someone. If you want names, for starters there is kensi and sam wormely. You figure out the rest. > > What? > > -- Jim Pennino