Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!peer01.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer01.am4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!nntp.TheWorld.com!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: t' = t Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 14:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Organization: The World : www.TheWorld.com : Since 1989 Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <94afda6e-e4f2-42a0-905c-cd0e3a59e75f@googlegroups.com> <2c0ff62a-2d70-499f-9925-e2073d8d7957@googlegroups.com> <01dd88d9-99cf-1aad-d02e-dd05c622025d@PointedEars.de> <5acdc30c-2bdb-4e12-9d50-2a305bebd1bc@googlegroups.com> <915a265c-a70c-51d0-6d29-063078fcace5@PointedEars.de> <4I4ND.340911$RM7.320412@fx24.am4> <85face4d-b04f-4fc3-8bf3-5b96727e4bad@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell01.theworld.com X-Trace: pcls7.std.com 1543848140 10125 192.74.137.71 (3 Dec 2018 14:42:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@TheWorld.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 14:42:20 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: nn/6.6.5 X-Received-Bytes: 2729 X-Received-Body-CRC: 3596190638 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:478864 Keith Stein writes: >> Straw-man assertion again. Keith. It's not "convention" that causes time >> dilation. You pretend that TD doesn't exist when EXPERIMENT clearly shows >> that it does, and those experiments do NOT depend upon clock synchronization. >When someone demonstrates the predicted -24.6 us/day on the >International Space Station, then i will believe it Gary. Proven constantly by the GPS system with its 38 us/day dilation. Every time the nice lady in your GPS tells you to turn left or right to get back to the asylum. >The problem with the TWLS is that who is to say that the outward >journey was run at the same speed as the return journey, because >this will in fact depend on who is looking at the journey eh! Except that the M-M experiment, as multiple repetitions of it since then, showed that the OWLS must be the same in each direction, always. >So yes Gary the OWLS is the only valid way to measure light speed. >> It's just that TWLS >> measurement requires higher precision, but today's technology is up to the >> challenge. >TWLS is, of course, easier to measure accurately than OWLS Gary, >and TWLS, unlike OWLS, IS the same in all frames of reference, >even according to Classical Physics eh! If OWLS was different in each direction, TWLS must be different since the harmonic mean is longer than the simple average.