Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Thomas Heger Newsgroups: alt.atheism,sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 23:14:29 +0200 Lines: 65 Message-ID: References: <1cjktb1pjlt1vu94n860jiq4tmfiii8rou@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net Y7M9TSgnJqK/I9O4k09l5Q042p5Sf2xMJuvW02ewiK8kGORQgx Cancel-Lock: sha1:g0JQ12or8jv3h91BiPxoXswrQ2U= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com alt.atheism:2170838 sci.physics.relativity:393000 Am 19.09.2016 22:31, schrieb Smiler: >>> To start with, it is a fair assumption that no-one is innocent. We all >>> break the law. Possibly.. But in a courts decision about the crime of a a specific convict, this does not matter (what 'we all' do). This would also mean, that not innocence in general is required, but being not guilty of the crime in question. >>> This makes "innocent" not only a term devoid of intrinsic meaning, but >>> also a direct emotional appeal rather than a factual description that >>> is part of a cogent argument. >> >> If someone has not committed a crime, the person is innocent. > > You've never been on a jury, have you? No. The German system has a somehow similar institutions as a jury. That is called 'Schöffe'. They have them in the larger courts and people could be asked to be that. But I have never been 'Schöffe'. But they do not decide whether or not someone is guilty. They are kind of 'deputies' and assist in the trail, but cannot decide anything. I could not become a member of a jury, because we don't have juries in Germany. In Germany the judge is the one, who decides. He is bound to the law and to that alone. We do not have an equivalent to the idiotic 'common law' system. 'Common law' means, that court decisions bind further decisions by other courts. In Germany the court is bound to the laws and period. If someone would not accept a certain decision, he can try 'Revision' or 'Berufung' on the courts at higher levels. Those can revoke decisions of courts at lower levels. > All a court can do is find someone 'not guilty'. I do not really understand the US system of jurisdiction. To me is sound right-out silly and US people would be well advised, if they give this piece of crap a huge kick and create something new. > That doesn't mean that they are innocent, just that there is insufficient > evidence to find them guilty. > A court decision is actually a decision. And if the judge decides, that and about what a convict is guilty, than he is. Such decision should be made with care and by honourable, well educated professionals. TH