Path: csiph.com!news.nrbbs.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer04.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!peer05.ams4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!fx01.ams4.POSTED!not-for-mail MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Fat books Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,sci.physics.relativity,rec.arts.sf.written References: <11amvqh$15f3n$1@dont-email.me> <6AD3C2CC.475F@ix.netcom.com> <11b0g92$grpc$1@dont-email.me> <6AD45A20.55FF@ix.netcom.com> <6AD45B5D.570A@ix.netcom.com> <11b1nna$st4l$1@dont-email.me> <1s36dmd.ssq2ubndf62xN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> <1s38wq6.18kz8431g7wqd5N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> <1s39zj8.xvioks141ldecN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> <_qSdnYDAwYe1Hkr3nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson Organization: Watcom Pro Ltd. In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 119 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynews.com X-Complaints-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2026 01:49:37 +0800 X-Received-Bytes: 6658 Xref: csiph.com alt.usage.english:1152690 sci.physics.relativity:674800 rec.arts.sf.written:661263 On 10/22/2026 1:44 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > On 10/21/2026 10:28 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >> On 10/20/2026 08:05 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>> On 10/20/2026 02:00 PM, Charles Hope wrote: >>>> On 20/10/2026 12:09, J. J. Lodder wrote: >>>>> Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 10/20/2026 3:40 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote: >>>>>>> It is a classical example of not correcting for bias. >>>>>>> (to obtain a wanted result) >>>>>>> The parishioners going to church every sunday >>>>>>> will be in better health (on average) >>>>>>> than those who stay at home. >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't let the bias bite you.  For some of them -- not all of >>>>>> course -- >>>>>> it's because they go to church every Sunday, and probably attend >>>>>> other >>>>>> social related activities -- many of which are tied to the local >>>>>> church. >>>>>> >>>>>> I mean, it's not like you can just magically use the word /bias/ and >>>>>> claim it doesn't work for some people. >>>>> >>>>> Nonsense. The 'scientific' proof from statistics >>>>> that regularly going to chuch on sundays increases your life >>>>> expectancy >>>>> is bunk. >>>>> It is a textbook example of how not to do statistics, >>>>> >>>>> Jan >>>>   I was taught to e very careful about using statistics. In the years >>>> following WW2, you could see an increase in the number of fridges in >>>> domestic use,  There was a similar increase in burglaries.  In fact, >>>> there was a straight line correlation  between fridges and burglaries. >>>> Did one cause the other?? >>> >>> >>> Mostly the mobility and the transience, >>> then also there were a lot of drug habits. >>> >>> Fridges just keep food cold. >> >> >> Since that time in many segments of American culture, >> "the nazis & the commies" were considered antithetical >> to American ideals, and the enemy of good Americans, >> terrorists are small change, while yet the nazis and >> the commies and their codependency with suppression & >> repression and run-away filthy lucre, have it so that >> the lifetime of propaganda has very firmly established >> that it's virtuous to be against the nazis and the commies, >> particularly those that are both, progressive radicals >> of the self-serving variety. >> >> >> The Bayesian, about statistics, is only a partial account, >> working fine for classical probabilities, while yet there's >> that continuous distributions are not modeled after counting >> arguments and otherwise closed by classical probabilities. >> So, not only is the statistical method a rigorous course >> itself, the actual foundations of probability theory have >> large gaps about the Bayesian as the inductive and empirical, >> about uncertainty and chance in probability theory yet with >> actual accounts of non-standard and extra-ordinary mathematics >> itself, has that there are lies and lies. >> >> Lots of people hear "Bayesian" and think "sound", yet, >> it's notable that "Bayesian" is "incomplete" about the >> continuous after the discrete, chopping off fingers >> to infinity. >> >> >> > > > Recent polls show most people aren't in the vocal cohort, > and more than two-thirds of people consider themselves > reasonable common-sense moderates, given a very basic > account of equal rights & equal protections as the > cornerstone of what justness is where "democracy" > is "rule of law" with rights & protections since Aristotle, > then vis-a-vis "rule of the mob" or "rule of mob", > about majority and meritocracy, then that the > anarcho-capitalism and anarcho-syndicalism are > considered subject their own deconstructive account > as not pertaining to society overall and good governance, > instead as symptomatic of inefficiences in the economy. > > > > > The Bayesian as completing itself is turned over many > times in the mathematics, for example about Frege's > completeness then Russell's incompleteness then Russell's > retro-thesis of completeness then Goedel's completeness > then Goedel's incompleteness, that though for the > actual accounts of the continuous and completeness, > and then repleteness, that since antiquity there are > the multiple models of continuous domains like as for > Xenocrates and line-drawing like Hilbert's postulate > of continuity or Cavalieri's indivisibles vis-a-vis > the Eudoxan after the Archimedean the rational extension, > that the _repleteness_ of the super-standard and the > continuous, then as well for the _extra-ordinary_ of > the actually infinite then is for the _super-standard_, > since Zeno's "moving rows" and for quasi-invariant > measure theory as for real and mathematically real > accounts of convergence and emergence. > > > Yeah, statistics will lie if you let them. 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