Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Starmaker Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Newton's theories of light and gravitation (was: Job interview) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2026 10:32:51 -0700 Organization: The Starmaker Organization Lines: 97 Message-ID: <6AC7D3C3.46F9@ix.netcom.com> References: <768Wzu9PlvxAiirSMlYptKsQc3A@jntp> <18da77a71829aa80$105814$867271$c2265aab@news.newsdemon.com> <18dab284e029d363$841$16561$4256dc03@news.newsgroupdirect.com> <119p8m3$2gd4d$1@dont-email.me> <18daeb3454929685$86565$908382$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com> <18db1cbe890e78f1$11317$16561$4256dc03@news.newsgroupdirect.com> <18dc0a5514caa782$13548$16561$4256dc03@news.newsgroupdirect.com> <11a62d5$1fvh9$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net> <6AC7324E.666@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2026 17:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; logging-data="70571"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18lN8dJJLDEsh/4ML8xu5109fp5unFPDJs="; posting-host="426013c2a168bde1cc683abcc450a3da" Cancel-Lock: sha1:bpaykeEYLhnJwQCbVXHAzS4Ohc4= sha256:LENAAWUx7r+hfWxSy+5E0DSjvoruVZB3seO3+qknKBQ= sha1:VbvGqF0ulfdV2P3Y2YQrJyzDe9Y= sha256:yYlEuER3bi51/7TWHimPIo8ReWqpisO9xPIRnJ6wN/8= X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 261008-2, 10/08/2026), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:674271 The Starmaker wrote: > > Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > > > > HenryWilson wrote: > > > On Sun, 04 Oct 26 10:57:38 +0000, Python wrote: > > >> There is actually one interesting point in your calculation, and I'll > > >> give it to you. > > >> > > >> If you treat light as a Newtonian corpuscle initially moving at c, then > > >> > > >> 1/2 m v_f^2 = 1/2 m c^2 + Delta_Phi > > >> > > >> gives > > >> > > >> v_f = sqrt(c^2 + 2 Delta_Phi) > > >> > > >> and therefore, to first order, > > >> > > >> Delta_v/c ~= Delta_Phi/c^2 ~= 5.3e-10. > > >> > > >> So yes: your Newtonian construction naturally produces approximately the > > >> same first-order dimensionless number as the gravitational frequency > > >> shift. > > > > > > It is surprising how often the two theories produce the same number but in > > > different ways and with different interpretations... > > > > And yet the Newtonian interpretation is literally wrong by 100 % (twice > > as much as is observed) when it comes to the deflection of starlight > > passing by close to the Sun, as Eddington et al. showed first in 1919 > > (as predicted by Einstein in 1916). That (and their failure to explain > > the outcome of Young's double-slit experiment, and the anomalous > > precession of the perihelion of Mercury, among other things) is how we > > /know/ that Newton's theories of light and gravitation are _both_ wrong, > > and his theory of gravitation is only a good approximation in special > > situations. > > > > Also, an infinite speed of the propagation of gravitational effects as > > it follows from Newton's theory of gravitation (a consequence that > > Newton himself was bothered by) violates causality (as has already been > > explained to you). > > > > -- > > PointedEars > > > > Twitter: @PointedEars2 > > Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail. > > But the TRUTH is Newton is taught more than Einstein in schools. > > Newton last longer. > > Newton deals with a Universal Clock, while Einstein deals with choo choo > train clocks and cuckoo clocks. > > If you had to remove one from school it would be Einstein. > > photoelectric what is dat? > > GR is Newton's GRavity that Einstein stole from....wat a goniff. > Now, I knows yous people have lost touch with the real world... but, you know, or don't know... when they teach rravity and motion in high school.. they always refer to Newton's Laws, not Einstein's theories. They don't teach Jewish science in high school! If I want a bagel with creame cheese i go to a Jewish bakery deli... if I want real science, ...there is only the guy who got hit with an apple on his head. Besides, where are you going to find a gym teacher that teaches Einstein Relativity???? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.