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From: The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
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Subject: Re: BEING exists, Nothingness does not.
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HenryWilson wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 03 Oct 2026 22:53:41 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> > Ken Tulohonov wrote:
> >>
> >> J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >> 1000 years ago, the pope ruled that mentioning the number zero
> >> >> >> was a serious crime.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Source for this papal rule?
> >> >>
> >> >> Wikipedia...'history of number' I think...or maybe the 'history of
> >> >> money'
> >> >> or astronomy. It is there somewhere.
> >> >
> >> > OK, no source, just loose talk,
> >>
> >> not sure the Natural numbers includes zero, but the Roman numbers does
> >> not. No
> >
> > There are no natural numbers since numbers don't exist out there
> > naturally.
> >
> > Numbers are simply what one reads into, not out of.
> 
> Wrong! If there was absolutely nothing, the laws of mathematics would
> still hold. In fact the whole universe might be just a mathematical
> possibility and therefore IS. Murphy's lesser known law applies. "If
> something CAN happen it WILL"...and here we are!


Let me give you a simple example...


You put a table in
front of you,

you put a lollipop
on the table

you put another lollipop
on the table

you put another lollipop
on the table

You probably by now
counted three lollipos
on the table.


Do you see a number 3 on the table?

There is no number three, you just read the number 3 into it.

Numbers don't exist.


There are no numbers out there..


it's all in your mind.

The universe is not mathematical.

There aren't three lollipos on the table.

It's just 

you put a lollipop
on the table

you put another lollipop
on the table

you put another lollipop
on the table

patterns
repeated events

Red lollipop
yellow lollipop
Red lollipop

There are no numbers.









-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.