Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Starmaker Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: How is time really organized Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2026 23:05:35 -0700 Organization: The Starmaker Organization Lines: 134 Message-ID: <6A64522F.2657@ix.netcom.com> References: <18c310a80c1c9341$1135817$2346$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com> <113d641$1n26c$1@news.nntp4.net> <113eb13$1urvv$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net> <6A613E8E.16CF@ix.netcom.com> <6A614152.23C3@ix.netcom.com> <6A63AE5A.375F@ix.netcom.com> <6A63B201.5990@ix.netcom.com> <6A64381C.30C1@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2026 06:05:27 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; logging-data="1307121"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/FgOzlT2zC2RYX5SVl3c1ukKOMn+nNdKU="; posting-host="d9e896163e55a17891276cbf9428073d" Cancel-Lock: sha1:rzemVd56ReX09RJn08wYrlS3hHo= sha256:1fElSK6btT+dWeufFHTUzuWF7G14uu9+rA70NBoyXVk= sha1:KX6NdxC1r1RxZFDRiwpfcwEMJYU= sha256:E9AfRpBBOLEw1vNSkNuuzScMIwr/TgWUAbk0Z4qc0VI= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 260724-18, 07/24/2026), Outbound message X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:671662 The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thomas Heger wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Am Samstag000018, 18.07.2026 um 00:40 schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn: > > > > > > > Natividad Ślusarski wrote: > > > > > > >> Maciej Woźniak wrote: > > > > > > >>> 2026-07-10 14:32:12.000000000 UTC. > > > > > > >>> This is time. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> no it's not; it's a event stamp regarding an unachievable reference of the > > > > > > >> past. Time is something completely else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In physics, there is such such thing as an "event stamp". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An event is a point of (a) spacetime: it has a location in space and a time. > > > > > > > The date above lacks a location, so it is just _a_ time (based on a time > > > > > > > standard, UTC) -- but not time itself, which is a physical quantity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, spacetime is 'coordinates free'. > > > > > > > > > > > > You need an 'anchor point' to define space and time, because points do > > > > > > not carry labels or calendars. > > > > > > > > > > > > Somethings you always have as reference is your own position and some > > > > > > time called 'now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, most of the time some 'here-and-now-systems' are used. > > > > > > > > > > > > But those system are quite arbitrary, because you could possibly be > > > > > > somewhere else. > > > > > > > > > > > > TH > > > > > > > > > > Well, guys say here and now...and girls say this and that. > > > > > > > > > > So, I tell girls, you see this here, well I want that now! > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was over here, and now I'm over here. > > > > > > > > > > Now, here is the REAL here and Now... > > > > > > Here is here is here.. > > > > > > Now is very very far away apart from here. > > > > > > Now is everywhere > > > Here is right here. > > > > > > Where? > > > remove the letter 'W' > > > > > > There?? > > > > > > remove the letter 'T' > > > > > > It's all Here! > > > > > > What about Now? > > > > > > Now is like...WOW! > > > > I mean, how do you measure here from here to over there...Now? > > > > Where? > > There. > > > > Now...all the way to the edige of the universe...Now. It's Now now. > > > > Where? > > over there! > > It's now now. > > > > over here it is the same now as over there. > > > > Where? > > over there! > > It's now now. > > > > What time is it now? > > > > If you have to look at your watch...you got the wrong time. > > > > The time now is...NOW! > > > > What time is it now? Yes. > > > > The time is Now! > > > > Where? > > > > Everywhere!! > > The problem of course is...where does Here begin? > > Here or over there? > > Where? > > Over here. What time is it now at the edge of the universe? Of course, it's Now. The clock doesn't change for Now, ...it's always Now.. everywhere. no clock needed for Now. For Einstein, the definition of the word Here is...Local. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.