Path: csiph.com!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Starmaker Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 11:30:07 -0800 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 99 Message-ID: <5A9AF7BF.6F51@ix.netcom.com> References: <1176b598-b819-44da-b15f-a2fcf487de68@googlegroups.com> <5A9A413E.4C7@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: X9ItFNC7Zcz4l6MobL/YRA.user.gioia.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 180303-0, 03/02/2018), Outbound message X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.3 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:451356 Ed Lake wrote: > > On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 12:31:29 AM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote: > > Ed Lake wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 6:43:07 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: > > > > On 2/03/2018 10:02 AM, Ed Lake wrote: > > > > > Clocks do not move "relative to each other" anywhere except in the minds of mathematicians. Everywhere else, they move relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred. > > > > > > > > Do you have any evidence to support that? It's not as if relativity was > > > > devised in some ivory tower - it was based on experiments. > > > > > > > > Sylvia. > > > > > > Yes, of course. The experimental evidence is the experimental evidence for the Big Bang theory. That Red Shift evidence says that everything in the universe is moving away from the spot where the Big Bang occurred. However, we cannot see that spot because light did not originate at the same moment as the Big Bang. Light came into existence some time (a few moments) after the Big Bang. So, in our VISIBLE universe we cannot see where the Big Bang occurred. It occurred OUTSIDE OF our VISI > > > > > > The evidence says that Time and Light move fastest at the point where the Big Bang occurred. That is a STATIONARY POINT AND all matter is evenly distributed in all directions from there, making it a point where there are no effects from gravity. Everything in our VISIBLE universe moves relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred. > > > > > > > > > > > > Understand? > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > The light originated at and before the moment of the big bang... > > > > Here is a photo of what the big bang looked before and after the big bang... > > > > You see the red shift moving away from from the spot of the big bang in all directions? > > > > > > http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/before%20and%20after%20the%20big%20bang/untitled1.jpg > > http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/TheStarmaker1/slideshow/ > > You have interesting BELIEFS, but the EVIDENCE says that atoms didn't form until some time after the initial Big Bang. And you cannot have light without first having atoms to generate the light. > > Here's a NEW article on the subject: https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/28/asia/big-bang-first-light-universe-intl/index.html > > "Following the Big Bang, physicists believe there was only darkness in the universe for about 180 million years, a period known by scientists as Cosmic "Dark Ages." > > Ed But ...they are Wrong. Maybe you didn't understand the photograph I showed you.. http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/before%20and%20after%20the%20big%20bang/untitled1.jpg The green stars you see are 'steady state' stars.. The slide shows.. http://s1114.photobucket.com/user/TheStarmaker1/slideshow/ the first moment of the big bang.. at the exact center is the light. The green stars you see here are 'steady state' stars.. http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/before%20and%20after%20the%20big%20bang/untitled1.jpg which were stars ...before the big bang that simply never died. Eventualy as new stars were born, it simply got too crowded..and there was a need for more...space. The stars in red is the expansion, in all directions outwards to what you have today. The red stars come from the center light as clearly shown in the unretouced photograph of the before and after of the big bang. http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/before%20and%20after%20the%20big%20bang/untitled1.jpg You are looking at a photograph of before and after the big bang...it's transparent. http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/before%20and%20after%20the%20big%20bang/untitled1.jpg There is activity in the red shiffting stars moving outwardly in all directions from the center. And you can see the steady green stars universe undisturbed as it was then. What else caused the red stars to shoot out like in this photo moments before and after the big bang? http://pw1.netcom.com/~starmaker/before%20and%20after%20the%20big%20bang/untitled1.jpg The Starmaker Maybe you don't understand the real world, ...if you have an office or business, and you're growing..you need more space! If you have a wife who is getting ...fatter, she needs a new dress!! She needs more space for that fat ass!!! I mean, how else can I explain it in terms that you can understand????