Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2017 16:05:48 -0500 Message-ID: <59AF11AE.712C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2017 14:05:50 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Why is there more than one explanation for the Twin Paradox References: <62e69e6e-1fc9-4f91-aa2e-be9919d9c260@googlegroups.com> <6dcf92d2-958c-496d-8356-ada255e6228e@googlegroups.com> <6b8cf7ca-31a9-415c-92c1-365f188d0e16@googlegroups.com> <29152c12-15e3-4599-b952-9a396099bde7@googlegroups.com> <5899316e-20fd-48bf-8c02-597fc942bbb2@googlegroups.com> <4e29ed4f-53bb-48e7-b6ac-f38b8f43c3bf@googlegroups.com> <6f898a65-b5a0-4331-941e-04b8a4413e02@googlegroups.com> <1ce53ed3-b3bf-4288-8bc3-a851ea1258d1@googlegroups.com> <6e0bba11-1905-42d9-9eac-ed577bd38fba@googlegroups.com> <82ffaa51-233a-453f-82f8-7c5e7ad45ff7@googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 170905-2, 09/05/2017), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 81 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-y5uMr+xVwOpoOvTVeTOwKGgao6FGY/kGbpSinyam2L20ZZ++1MJcODFn3pGKfBFe8auJ1T8b106rcAi!s4KJjJOsI65lXOok7vnL+3/+yxjdX3hbRh2S0HyaXl+XHbzrOc6XzLhDJcQ5+tDSoL/76Zb8Mn7T!2pKFoTXTtZI= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 6828 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:431243 kenseto wrote: > > On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 10:05:32 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > On 9/5/17 8:08 AM, kenseto wrote: > > > On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 3:48:37 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > >> On 9/1/17 7:26 AM, kenseto wrote: > > >>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 3:13:30 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > >>>> On 8/29/17 10:12 AM, kenseto wrote: > > >>>>> On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 12:13:50 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > >>>>>> On 8/28/17 10:41 AM, kenseto wrote: > > >>>>>>> On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 11:12:08 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > >>>>>>>> On 8/28/17 9:32 AM, kenseto wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 9:31:06 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> On 8/25/17 8:17 AM, kenseto wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 10:28:29 AM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 9:19:28 AM UTC-5, kenseto wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 7:36:21 AM UTC-4, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 6:03:19 PM UTC-5, kenseto wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So are you saying that from the ball’s point of view the hole get larger so it can get through it and from the hole point of view the ball gets gets smaller so the ball can pass through it? I don’t think so. I think you are full of shit. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Length contraction is observed ONLY along the direction of motion. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Other observers will see the ball moving the ball moving in different directions. Doesn’t that mean that the ball is contracted in all directions? That means that if contraction is real (material) then the ball should be able to pass through the hole. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Different observers OBSERVE the ball moving in different directions, and > > >>>>>>>>>>>> OBSERVE differing directions and magnitudes of length contraction. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> So observe contraction is not real and thus not directly measurable.....right? > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Nope, it is very real and very measurable. And STILL different observers > > >>>>>>>>>> will see different things. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> See different thing is not measurement. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> The observed length contraction is real and very measurable. And STILL > > >>>>>>>> different observers will measure different amounts of length contraction. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Nope.....assertion is not a valid argument. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Do you know the difference between an assertion and a documented fact? > > >>>>>> Oh, I know, any documented fact that you haven't read about is an > > >>>>>> assertion unless someone presents it to you on usenet. I see. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> There is no real documented facts for real physical length contraction. > > >>>> > > >>>> Of course there are. > > >>>> > > >>>>> There are falsely interpretations of documented results that interpreted as the effect of length contraction. > > >>>> > > >>>> If you have a documented result that is consistent with the prediction > > >>>> of a theory like relativity, then that result supports the theory. It > > >>>> doesn't matter that you don't like the "interpretation" of that theory. > > >>>> It is still true that the experimental result supports that theory. What > > >>>> part of this fundamental aspect of the scientific method do you not > > >>>> understand? > > >>> > > >>> The point is that other interpretations will give the same predictions (eg. LET or IRT). > > >>> > > >> > > >> LET also predicts real physical length contraction, which is in > > >> agreement with data. See Lorentz's paper on the subject, in which this > > >> is discussed. > > >> > > >> Now IRT may say that the observed length contraction isn't physical. > > >> Don't know for sure and don't care. > > >> Doesn't really matter. > > > > > > The point is after years of explanation you still can’t explain what length contraction mean in SR. > > > > No, Ken, after years of explanation, you still cannot hear what the > > explanation of length contraction is. Moreover, after years of > > struggling, you still have YET to read a SINGLE BOOK about relativity. > > You have your own secret explanation......I am not going to waste time to find out. So go and fuck yourself. If you want him to grant your request...you first have to bring back the broomstick of the Witch of the West...Now, Go!