Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 02:14:41 -0500 Message-ID: <59759E66.16FE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 00:14:46 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox References: <086f7a5d-bd46-44dc-abf3-98488917a499@googlegroups.com> <7ecda924-3461-419e-84c9-7b4800de7bf7@googlegroups.com> <2764577b-f7d5-441a-97ca-4b070507f5b8@googlegroups.com> <57790307-91c3-4956-a8e3-ed07c8b92573@googlegroups.com> <7e69dc9d-5173-43bf-9167-7dcacacbc713@googlegroups.com> <0d4ffa90-a36f-4ea0-86d3-eb8956d94861@googlegroups.com> <0e54850b-ea98-4902-b7b2-85ef765772f2@googlegroups.com> <2057cab3-d71d-4bcc-8728-5cac413e935d@googlegroups.com> <13af5343-27eb-4565-877d-94ea6ba19f6c@googlegroups.com> <4030b12e-58b1-40f3-9024-a4a341955857@googlegroups.com> <5975891E.5A55@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 170723-2, 07/23/2017), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 39 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-7c0okS4XIrJa6Thm8da0xOiTeAMltDRHw6GE78CirnLBrjokTY9292PwudUCDxPpn1kyyMawBGhW5Sa!jXgiGRUMLURauI2kS8vttg+Qt44HyRM2NAHKy4xuAJUlHCBn1f8sA9R8J9BK2vVwEmJZ2oqGsxu8!P45PUmAiO5o= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 3854 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:425952 The Starmaker wrote: > > Michael Moroney wrote: > > > > kenseto writes: > > > > >On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 8:10:01 AM UTC-4, Nicolaas Vroom wrote: > > >> On Friday, 21 July 2017 16:29:29 UTC+2, tjrob137 wrote: > > >> > On 7/20/17 7/20/17 2:50 PM, Nicolaas Vroom wrote: > > >> > > My understanding is that an odometer is used to measure distance. > > >> > > [...]What is your point? > > >> > > > >> > The point is that odometers measure distance, while clocks measure > > >> > elapsed (proper) time. This is an ANALOGY. > > >> okay. IMO you have to be carefull to use such an ANALOGY. > > >> > > >> On Thursday, 20 July 2017 17:08:45 UTC+2, Paparios wrote: > > >> > Let again try the car odometer analogy. Two identical cars make a trip > > >> > from Chicago to New York, but they use different routes. > > >> Consider the following 2 options: > > >> One car travels straight from Chicago to New York. The odometer will > > >> show 600 miles. > > >> Car two travels from Chicago to Houston and then straight to New York. > > >> The odometer will show 600 + 600 = 1200 miles. > > > > >With clocks: clock one will accumulate more clock seconds than clock two. > > >This means that the odometer analogy is useless. > > > > Stupid Ken, nowhere in this party of the analogy were clocks mentioned. > > He is discussing how you can make different trips from Chicago to New > > York, and by doing so, you get different distance measurements by the > > odometers. Odometers strictly measure distance, not time, and they are > > not clocks. > > What time is it? It's six miles. You can use a "space-time odometer", ..at the tone the time will be 6 and half miles past 3 o'clock.