Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!buffer2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 14:58:56 -0500 Message-ID: <590641FE.514C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 12:58:54 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.atheism,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.arts.sf.written,alt.astronomy Subject: Re: God doesn't believe in atheist References: <58F7DE75.4E2@ix.netcom.com> <58F83F38.1B3B@ix.netcom.com> <58FA7CF6.FD4@ix.netcom.com> <58FA80ED.5E77@ix.netcom.com> <58FBA10F.23E@ix.netcom.com> <58FD901F.608@ix.netcom.com> <5904CE00.1DD3@ix.netcom.com> <2039010.ElGaqSPkdT@PointedEars.de> <59063C47.31EA@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 170430-0, 04/30/2017), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Lines: 103 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-hUoQrwDDZq98ZJc6zSy+uG6VSQdH7kUFmkyzgE6vYpoCHx+U+QfDLqP9IpUa+bpYtfu3uW05AGueV+h!QDpAN91EB34eeM54S+gcC1rd7VXQvTV3bKWIHmYRUahQpjqLMKNMxyBFO7Xsb72Bn7BYaXOC/GTi!G1kTDf+xYMo= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 5139 Xref: csiph.com alt.atheism:2292830 sci.physics:631417 sci.physics.relativity:417729 rec.arts.sf.written:470264 alt.astronomy:290589 The Starmaker wrote: > > Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > > > > SteveGG amok-crossposted across 5(!) newsgroups without Followup-To: > > > > > Amazing that some fools still believe in god, creation and all the BS > > > that goes with it ! > > > > Amazing that you still have not learned to post properly. > > > > > If the univwrse had a begining, then what was a day before ? > > > > JFTR: The idea that the (our) universe had a beginning is not limited to > > religion and creationism at all. > > > > There is a lot of observational *scientific* evidence that supports the Big > > Bang theory that concludes, from the general theory of relativity applied to > > our universe, that our universe *had* a beginning. > > > > However, (real) science (cosmology) does not jump to the conclusion that > > therefore our universe was created, which would require it to have (had) a > > creator. For all we know, our universe could have begun from “nothing”, > > i.e. quantum fluctuations in empty space could have produced our universe, > > and in fact any other universe. > > > > As a result, the concept of a “day before” the (our) universe began, or more > > generally, a time before the Big Bang, is not well-defined. Time itself > > began with (or, more precisely, shortly after) the Big Bang inasfar as > > that, according to theory, causality breaks down before the Planck epoch. > > > > As another result, there could be an infinite number of universes, our > > universe just being one of them in what has been coined “the multiverse”. > > (Hence my emphasis on “our”. Scientific understanding has moved beyond > > the point where we literally mean “universe” as “the only one” as per the > > original Latin.) > > > > See also: p. > > > > > Also, absolutely ridiculous that there is god that oversees everything. > > > > Full ACK. > > > > > It takes hundreds of thousands of years for anything to transverse just > > > one galaxy, including god's thoughts, so god would have to be a very slow > > > thinker ! > > > > Your logic is flawed because a lifeform that we, at our current stage of > > development, would accept as a deity, could have discovered laws of physics > > that we have not discovered yet. Keep in mind: > > > > “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” > > > > –Clarke’s third law > > > > which can been rephrased as > > > > “Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is > > indistinguishable from God.” > > > > –Shermer's last law > > > > > > > > However, the existence of such a lifeform grows the more unlikely the more > > we develop our understanding of our universe. > > > > -- > > PointedEars > > > > Twitter: @PointedEars2 > > Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail. > > The guy with the pointed ears is quoting...science fiction writers!!! THAT'S INSANE!!!! > > British science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke formulated three adages > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws > > God had a dream...so he painted his dream. > > He took out his pen and drew a tree. > > Which is worse, quoting from the bible or quoting from a ...science fiction book???? Next, the guy with the pointed ears will be quoting...Star Trek! I wonder which character he'll quote "Set Phasers To Stun" "I'm Givin' Her All She's Got, Captain!" "Highly Illogical..." "Khaaannnn!"