Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!216.166.98.84.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 11:14:48 -0600 Message-ID: <58751687.429A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 09:14:47 -0800 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.astronomy,sci.math Subject: Re: Time Travel Is Not Possible References: <5866B352.6F63@ix.netcom.com> <58673243.3914@ix.netcom.com> <586758A0.1F74@ix.netcom.com> <5867FE37.723@ix.netcom.com> <58685AA8.4AAB@ix.netcom.com> <5869A346.1C8@ix.netcom.com> <5869E028.3FF1@ix.netcom.com> <586A99A4.792E@ix.netcom.com> <586C858B.4A@ix.netcom.com> <586C8DC4.2DF3@ix.netcom.com> <586EA0AD.16BE@ix.netcom.com> <586EF7F2.26DB@ix.netcom.com> <586FD042.6EAB@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 108 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-cOwEXN0Pc0q9YuW2rP+dkONZVcQxe6yeL2gJ1ftXWBcRXFV77QlBXGspQmmvljZpQ6mWVAQkvxPN+18!7uutGw+y9OZGANAhSDXaR+UJurRvhiIX/+xc4xFUDTleNOcnjMpY5ePzH9Gl4Wp8EanbubFTOSXw!fmPH8o5nMzU= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 5336 Xref: csiph.com rec.arts.sf.written:462025 sci.physics:612375 sci.physics.relativity:404961 alt.astronomy:288750 sci.math:360496 Sylvia Else wrote: > > On 7/01/2017 4:13 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > > Sylvia Else wrote: > >> > >> On 6/01/2017 12:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>> Sylvia Else wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On 6/01/2017 6:38 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> how about the time traveler goes back a day and buys a lottery ticket > >>>>> that pays 500 million dollars, goes back to the future and deposits > >>>>> the money, goes back again, plays the same numbers, goes back and > >>>>> deposits another 500 million, goes back again, plays the same > >>>>> numbers, goes back and deposits another 500 million, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> i'm having trouble figuring out where is all this money coming > >>>>> from... are the serial numbers the same? are the lottery officals > >>>>> wondering why are there all these paid checks made out to the same > >>>>> person shows paid over billion dollars but only 500 million paid > >>>>> out.. > >>>>> > >>>>> something is wrong with your 'possible time travel senerios'. > >>>>> > >>>>> Nature doesn't work this way. > >>>> > >>>> Well, we don't know how it works (if it works) in the context of time > >>>> travel. > >>>> > >>>> In a version of the universe where a time traveller returns to a new > >>>> branch of history each time he travels back and forward, he'd find that > >>>> he only ever managed to accumulate one payout, because he never returns > >>>> to the version of history in which he'd previously deposited a payout. > >>>> > >>>> He might even find that the winning numbers change in each new future > >>>> (butterfly effect), making his lottery tickets worthless. > >>>> > >>>> Sylvia. > >>> > >>> > >>> What? > >>> > >>> I'll reiterate... > >>> > >>> he travels back in time to > >>> Dec. 30th 2016 > >>> buys a lottery ticket > >>> numbers are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 > >>> wins and gets a check for 500 million.. > >>> deposits the check.. > >>> > >>> he goes back in time to > >>> Dec. 30th 2016 > >>> buys a lottery ticket > >>> numbers are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 > >>> wins and gets a check for 500 million.. > >>> deposits the check.. > >>> > >>> he goes back in time to > >>> Dec. 30th 2016 > >>> buys a lottery ticket > >>> numbers are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 > >>> wins and gets a check for 500 million.. > >>> deposits the check.. > >>> > >>> he goes back in time to > >>> Dec. 30th 2016 > >>> buys a lottery ticket > >>> numbers are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 > >>> wins and gets a check for 500 million.. > >>> deposits the check.. > >>> > >>> He's got two billion dollars now in the bank. > >>> > >>> > >>> he goes back in time to > >>> Dec. 30th 2016 .... > >>> > >> > >> Again, you persist in assuming you preferred model of how time travel > >> works, and refuse to accept that if time travel is possible, it may > >> operate in a different way. > >> > >> Sylvia. > > > > > > You cannot invoke unproven 'other universes' just so you can come up with ad hoc theories to everything unanswered. > > > > I notice that you haven't sought to address my previous reply. Does that > mean that you now accept that we don't know what kind of universe we > inhabit, and that the one you are assuming may not be the correct one? > > Sylvia. You didn't read the foundation of my first post: "i don't want to hear absurd answers like you come back in unproven paralell universes where your father and grandfather still exist... i don't want to hear it!"