Path: csiph.com!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 01:31:13 -0500 Message-ID: <57888384.5208@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 23:32:36 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Absurdity Called Einstein's Twin Paradox References: <12c34f5b-6e1d-4bb9-8da2-782a7d3e85ad@googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 41 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-mXiPPWvonZjnsz1nETkDdjBNF/XknrJi5UtMozFYr9Uo1BFTZ2YFE6p/5aLkLRRVU38i2p427kYA1rj!T52YABAws2MOAaNPofAT+1K/YSz/d2xK1ArIPGEt35EdkIKP0jxyS8Yr3cYXVSz8JGjQlq79cJiv!TtM0IZydDBU= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 3093 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:387802 Gary Harnagel wrote: > > On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 5:41:27 PM UTC-6, Pentcho Valev wrote: > > > > Special relativity predicts that either twin ages more slowly than the other, > > as judged from the other twin's system: > > Of, course they are VERY far apart when they make those predictions. > You can only be sure of what REALLY happens when you bring them together > at the beginning and end of the trip. > > > http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~djmorin/chap11.pdf > > "Twin A stays on the earth, while twin B flies quickly to a distant > > star and back. [...] For the entire outward and return parts of the > > trip, B does observe A's clock running slow, but enough strangeness > > occurs during the turning-around period to make A end up older." > > > > Special relativity's prediction that either twin ages more slowly than > > the other (as judged from the other twin's system) leads to absurdity > > unless "enough strangeness occurs during the turning-around period to > > make A end up older". However, during the turning-around period, the > > traveling twin is very far away from his stationary brother so the > > idea that "enough strangeness" is somehow produced during the turning- > > around period and this "enough strangeness" miraculously affects the > > distant stationary twin is simply idiotic." > > Yes , it would be absurd if the "strangeness occurred at the stationary > twin's location, but it doesn't: It occurs at the traveling twin's > position. Proof: Let there be another observer moving with the traveling > twin, but he keeps on going when the traveling twin turns around. > Obviously, he will continue to see the stationary twin continue to age > slowly, contrary to what the traveling twin sees while turning around. > > So Pentcho leaps to the absurd concept instead of the one that makes > sense. It figures! > > Gary I don't get it, are you saying it requires three observers?