Path: csiph.com!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!buffer2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 01:39:06 -0500 Message-ID: <577F4AEC.37E0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 23:40:44 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Einsteinians May Abandon Grand Unification References: <9498e3ed-d706-408e-9eb1-8712d93d2990@googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 42 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-7C24H54+/hT1HIjR65mzjB3+RvFirVfezoGTbSGxr4H96MDxSBWce6BGMo+2EVqUHqnfM4LKVhZ/MAA!vk7yIzZWVv6iAL8O7bt1hV/fWZy0F2BwD/jGkthy+Zt08Y3vZ1kCf+ZISjfMXBYdu4+70v3I8Npx!sbR054225w4= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 4959 X-Received-Bytes: 5081 X-Received-Body-CRC: 3457756558 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:387424 Pentcho Valev wrote: > > http://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2016/07/07/grand-unification-may-be-a-dead-end-for-physics/ > Ethan Siegel: "Grand Unification May Be A Dead-End For Physics" > > Einsteinians' problem is different: If the quest for unification continues, Einstein's spacetime, the idiotic consequence of Einstein's 1905 false constant-speed-of-light postulate, will be getting more and more exposed and vulnerable: > > https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-185331159.html > > > https://www.edge.org/response-detail/26563 > Nobel Laureate David Gross observed, "Everyone in string theory is convinced...that spacetime is doomed. But we don't know what it's replaced by." > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U47kyV4TMnE > Nima Arkani-Hamed (06:11): "Almost all of us believe that space-time doesn't really exist, space-time is doomed and has to be replaced by some more primitive building blocks." > > https://edge.org/response-detail/25477 > What scientific idea is ready for retirement? Steve Giddings: "Spacetime. Physics has always been regarded as playing out on an underlying stage of space and time. Special relativity joined these into spacetime... [...] The apparent need to retire classical spacetime as a fundamental concept is profound..." > > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20727721.200-rethinking-einstein-the-end-of-spacetime.html > "Rethinking Einstein: The end of space-time [...] The stumbling block lies with their conflicting views of space and time. As seen by quantum theory, space and time are a static backdrop against which particles move. In Einstein's theories, by contrast, not only are space and time inextricably linked, but the resulting space-time is moulded by the bodies within it. [...] Something has to give in this tussle between general relativity and quantum mechanics, and the smart money says that it's rel > > https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22730370-600-why-do-we-move-forwards-in-time/ > "[George] Ellis is up against one of the most successful theories in physics: special relativity. It revealed that there's no such thing as objective simultaneity. Although you might have seen three things happen in a particular order – 
A, then B, then C – someone moving 
at a different velocity could have seen 
it a different way – C, then B, then A. 
In other words, without simultaneity there is no way of specifying what things happened "now". And if not "now", what is moving t > > http://pirsa.org/displayFlash.php?id=16060114 > George Ellis (29:49): "We actually don't have local Lorentz invariance; we have broken local Lorentz invariance." > > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22029410.900 > New Scientist: "Saving time: Physics killed it. Do we need it back? [...] Einstein landed the fatal blow at the turn of the 20th century." > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2013/jun/10/time-reborn-farewell-reality-review > "And by making the clock's tick relative - what happens simultaneously for one observer might seem sequential to another - Einstein's theory of special relativity not only destroyed any notion of absolute time but made time equivalent to a dimension in space: the future is already out there waiting for us; we just can't see it until we get there. This view is a logical and metaphysical dead end, says Smolin." > > https://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/research/conferences/convergence/roundtable-discussion-questions/what-are-lessons-quantum > Perimeter Institute: "Quantum mechanics has one thing, time, which is absolute. But general relativity tells us that space and time are both dynamical so there is a big contradiction there. So the question is, can quantum gravity be formulated in a context where quantum mechanics still has absolute time?" > > Pentcho Valev you cannot have a grand unifications of turtles.