Path: csiph.com!xmission!news.glorb.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 14:00:45 -0500 Message-ID: <573F5EDD.500F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 12:00:45 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.atheism,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? References: <61phjbd3hejalpi5qbqq9fetampgnlbb7j@4ax.com> <1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com> <573C09FA.5A01@ix.netcom.com> <573c1a19$0$15571$c3e8da3$9deca2c3@news.astraweb.com> <573CB3D7.2DA7@ix.netcom.com> <4dipjbti3cqh28h17ihdfm3bl80vfdmt4t@4ax.com> <573D086F.5C0A@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 145 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-gp1tfV80VvP4k8g5EG7F4K0dj3y60VAxVKp34IlBKa1s/E2WVEmYcQA9Uyk1ljhhhgPlvPCFSoEr1Lp!4RLN7J3uuFNjx973zQm/Ep7eisjD14xAveSad49mi/pn59fwISmtgL50SFIJofa5TMcbXGs6MirG!TnKu4DSOU08= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 6554 Xref: csiph.com alt.atheism:2110123 sci.physics:579293 sci.physics.relativity:383847 Attila < wrote: > > On Wed, 18 May 2016 17:27:27 -0700, The Starmaker > in alt.atheism with message-id > <573D086F.5C0A@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >Attila < wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, 18 May 2016 11:26:31 -0700, The Starmaker > >> in alt.atheism with message-id > >> <573CB3D7.2DA7@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> > >> >benj wrote: > >> >> > >> >> On 05/18/2016 02:21 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > >> >> > Mitchell Holman wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> duke wrote in > >> >> >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com: > >> >> >> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> If you can't see it, you don't want to. Without creation, nothing > >> >> >>> would exist. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Without a creation your god would not exist. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Who created your creator? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > (all your questions are answered in that one sentence) > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > So, 'In the beginning..' > >> >> > > >> >> > https://www.google.com/#q=define+beginning > >> >> > > >> >> > 1. > >> >> > the point in time or space at which something starts. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > '...God created..' > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > There was no creation before God..so no one created God since creation did not exist before God.. > >> >> > it existed after God..God created the first...create. > >> >> > > >> >> > And then you have...'the heavens and the earth.' > >> >> > > >> >> > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net --- > >> >> > >> >> Starfaker you are babbling and drooling! The whole biblical creation > >> >> myth like all of the creation myths is an attempt to explain highly > >> >> advanced technical physics to primitive ignorant humans (even MORE > >> >> primitive and ignorant than they are today if you can imagine that!) > >> >> > >> >> Hence it used terms that really make no logical sense like saying > >> >> creation took place in six "days"? Sure you can understand a "day" on > >> >> earth and what it means but what is a "day" for the universe? Obviously > >> >> a "day" is trying to explain operations that took place in stages or > >> >> phases. > >> >> > >> >> Native humans see things in causal form. Hence they want stories about > >> >> "beginnings" But if there was a beginning what was before that? Was > >> >> there a God? Defining God as the universe and all in it and the laws > >> >> that govern it allow you to say the laws might have been there but since > >> >> we are talking "creation" the universe wasn't and since "God" is the > >> >> universe then God must have not existed either unless it was there only > >> >> as laws. > >> >> > >> >> Story is that "God" is outside of time. Therefore "creation" does not > >> >> apply. Creation applies only to causal phenomena that we are and > >> >> observe. Hence out efforts to ascribe a "creation" to God is basically > >> >> nonsense. God is the theater and projectionist (this is something you > >> >> can understand starfaker) it always existed and exists because they are > >> >> outside of time. Then just for US the the movie starts and we watch it > >> >> all take place in linear fashion. But in truth it all already exists > >> >> wound up in the reels of film on the projector. We just can't see the > >> >> part that isn't yet in the projector or the things that have already > >> >> gone through and are wound up on the other reel. But in truth all of our > >> >> "creation" is just ONE time. WE just cannot comprehend something > >> >> existing outside of time. So we make up stories. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >It's very simple, you need to undertsand the order of events.... > >> > > >> > > >> >it is God created, not created God. > >> > >> Where is the evidence any god ever existed? > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote from unverified source removed. > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >Maybe you people need to go back to school and learn the Inglish languagge... > >> > > >> > > >> Quote from unverified source removed. > >> > > >> > > >> >Look up the Defintion for the word: "In" > >> > > >> >then, > >> > > >> >Look up the Defintion for the word: "the" > >> > > >> >then > >> > > >> >Look up the Defintion for the word: "beginning" > >> > > >> > > >> >then > >> > > >> > > >> >Look up the Defintion for the word: (,) > >> > > >> > > >> >Now, try to understand what the word "In" means... > >> > > >> >and "the" > >> > > >> > > >> >and "beginning". > >> > >> I see nothing about any god in there. > > > > > >'In the beginning, ..." has nothing to do with any god. > > > > > >It is about understanding what 'In the beginning, ...' > >is...God comes in afterwards. > > Please provide your evidence supporting the existence of any god. He created the color Yellow on Earth.