Path: csiph.com!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 19:22:03 -0500 Message-ID: <573D0753.29F5@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 17:22:43 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.atheism,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? References: <61phjbd3hejalpi5qbqq9fetampgnlbb7j@4ax.com> <1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com> <573C09FA.5A01@ix.netcom.com> <573c1a19$0$15571$c3e8da3$9deca2c3@news.astraweb.com> <573CB3D7.2DA7@ix.netcom.com> <573CC67C.23DA@ix.netcom.com> <2hipjb1go7mhf37fvkh0ggqikrih270mhl@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 126 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-7WQ0NTNhSNTJ9ZPlCtLI1LAfctZhANnvhAGObg+Zw11gWCYWcO3NROpo4tcfO1EVKC7SWdEPdvGvitX!k8L8ix8qtV9tfHhKKycLql6jS5XVNg0bABCLNZBPoe0S6eOGXbLghaF4CDPG+xLnADjZ8+RLvvb0!7959vPbQIfY= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 6189 Xref: csiph.com alt.atheism:2109052 sci.physics:578870 sci.physics.relativity:383730 Attila < wrote: > > On Wed, 18 May 2016 12:46:04 -0700, The Starmaker > in alt.atheism with message-id > <573CC67C.23DA@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >The Starmaker wrote: > >> > >> benj wrote: > >> > > >> > On 05/18/2016 02:21 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > >> > > Mitchell Holman wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> duke wrote in > >> > >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com: > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> If you can't see it, you don't want to. Without creation, nothing > >> > >>> would exist. > >> > >> > >> > >> Without a creation your god would not exist. > >> > >> > >> > >> Who created your creator? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > (all your questions are answered in that one sentence) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > So, 'In the beginning..' > >> > > > >> > > https://www.google.com/#q=define+beginning > >> > > > >> > > 1. > >> > > the point in time or space at which something starts. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > '...God created..' > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > There was no creation before God..so no one created God since creation did not exist before God.. > >> > > it existed after God..God created the first...create. > >> > > > >> > > And then you have...'the heavens and the earth.' > >> > > > >> > > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net --- > >> > > >> > Starfaker you are babbling and drooling! The whole biblical creation > >> > myth like all of the creation myths is an attempt to explain highly > >> > advanced technical physics to primitive ignorant humans (even MORE > >> > primitive and ignorant than they are today if you can imagine that!) > >> > > >> > Hence it used terms that really make no logical sense like saying > >> > creation took place in six "days"? Sure you can understand a "day" on > >> > earth and what it means but what is a "day" for the universe? Obviously > >> > a "day" is trying to explain operations that took place in stages or > >> > phases. > >> > > >> > Native humans see things in causal form. Hence they want stories about > >> > "beginnings" But if there was a beginning what was before that? Was > >> > there a God? Defining God as the universe and all in it and the laws > >> > that govern it allow you to say the laws might have been there but since > >> > we are talking "creation" the universe wasn't and since "God" is the > >> > universe then God must have not existed either unless it was there only > >> > as laws. > >> > > >> > Story is that "God" is outside of time. Therefore "creation" does not > >> > apply. Creation applies only to causal phenomena that we are and > >> > observe. Hence out efforts to ascribe a "creation" to God is basically > >> > nonsense. God is the theater and projectionist (this is something you > >> > can understand starfaker) it always existed and exists because they are > >> > outside of time. Then just for US the the movie starts and we watch it > >> > all take place in linear fashion. But in truth it all already exists > >> > wound up in the reels of film on the projector. We just can't see the > >> > part that isn't yet in the projector or the things that have already > >> > gone through and are wound up on the other reel. But in truth all of our > >> > "creation" is just ONE time. WE just cannot comprehend something > >> > existing outside of time. So we make up stories. > >> > >> It's very simple, you need to undertsand the order of events.... > >> > >> it is God created, not created God. > >> > >> 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > >> > >> Maybe you people need to go back to school and learn the Inglish languagge... > >> > >> 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > >> > >> Look up the Defintion for the word: "In" > >> > >> then, > >> > >> Look up the Defintion for the word: "the" > >> > >> then > >> > >> Look up the Defintion for the word: "beginning" > >> > >> then > >> > >> Look up the Defintion for the word: (,) > >> > >> Now, try to understand what the word "In" means... > >> > >> and "the" > >> > >> and "beginning". > > > > > >It is people like "benj", who make the mistake of assuming that > > > >'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' originated > >from the bible... > > It doesn't matter. Whatever the source it is unverified. My mistake, I meant to write: 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' did not originated from the bible...