Path: csiph.com!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 01:11:19 -0500 Message-ID: <57186F26.349@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 23:11:50 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Time AND Space is an Illusion References: <5716A893.7508@ix.netcom.com> <5717CEE5.D7F@ix.netcom.com> <571852a8$0$31281$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com> <5718568F.AC3@ix.netcom.com> <57185ac1$0$46736$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 92 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-BRpaG8iaXenabXbWpDLE/XDoKtGIznsaXjlk3EZeHHMqLyLD/t8Du8qVYhS+virHT0wMHQ5nSpes/Ox!p2+Txnghq1XToH3rauv6g10McW8uFPzeDB/b1kBG2tLUySi0sMJp5xHJI0pXLW1OFQI+MKURylbj!2276q5kl6A== X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 5388 X-Received-Bytes: 5500 X-Received-Body-CRC: 2190388873 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics:572033 sci.physics.relativity:382039 benj wrote: > > On 04/21/2016 12:26 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > > benj wrote: > >> > >> On 04/20/2016 10:27 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: > >>> On 21/04/2016 4:48 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>> Sylvia Else wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> On 20/04/2016 7:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>>>> Time AND Space is an Illusion. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> and that's that! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> any questions? > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> What are you on? > >>>>> > >>>>> Sylvia. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Is time an illusion, Mrs. Else? > >>>> > >>> > >>> An illusion is perceptual process that causes something to have an > >>> appearance that differs significantly from its reality. > >>> > >>> So it is difficult to attach any real meaning to your question. > >>> > >>> Sylvia. > >> > >> It's difficult to attach any meaning to things Starfaker posts, but > >> nevertheless the question is a valid one. > >> > >> Can you imagine a situation where time is an Illusion? What does that > >> mean. Well, it would mean that in your PERCEPTION events would progress > >> and develop to your perception from the past to the present to the > >> future. But since it's an illusion, it would mean that in truth nothing > >> is changing at all and all events and seeming actions are perpetually > >> fixed and immutable. > >> > >> How can this be? Well as you say it's all about "perception". Like the > >> people in Plato's cave let us suppose that your perception of events > >> (reality) is entirely due to your consciousness. You consciousness is > >> observing shadows on the cave wall that you take to be reality. Only > >> that doesn't fit well with our experience of "reality". So let's > >> "improve" Plato's idea and instead of sitting and observing life go by > >> on the cave wall, say all of the universe INCLUDING all possible > >> effects, events and things that COULD happen are cast into a huge...well > >> we knew Hollywood physics would enter in, right?...Matrix! > >> > >> When you experience "time" in truth your consciousness is experiencing a > >> VELOCITY over the matrix. Your "past" is the path your consciousness > >> took, through the matrix up to now. The present is the location where > >> your consciousness is presently located and the future is innumerable > >> paths your consciousness COULD take from the present point. Note that > >> since the start of the future path must be the present point, MANY paths > >> are available but most are not. Jumps we presume are not allowed. > >> > >> Thus, one can say, there is NO time, it is all ONE time and there is no > >> space, it is all ONE space! And it becomes obvious that the past is > >> fixed (it is the path you took!) And the future is not (many paths > >> available). However if we apply Newton's laws we see that any path from > >> the past will tend to move forward on a given trajectory unless acted > >> upon by a FORCE. And that force would be Mind or what is termed "will". > >> Hence ability to get outside of causality (coasting) is termed free will. > >> > >> It's all so simple, Sylivia, I wonder why nobody "gets" it? > > > > > > > > the past is not fixed. if someone tells you your mother is not really > > your real mother, your past changes. your real > > mother no loger exist in your past...anyone can change your > > past...events are always changing. > > > > What doesn't change is that you seem to be Wrong consistently. > > > Starfaker, you are a lib idiot like HVAC. Reality is not your fantasies. > HVAC has been invited to jump off a building to "prove" this theory that > gravity is not a force. And you are invited to perform similar > experiments to prove that reality is only what you imagine it to be. You > have been an idiot in the past and that can never be changed even if you > actually were to grow a brain at some point. > > Why don't you go play trolling the atheists or something while we adults > are talking? Gravity is not a force. It is too weak to be a force. What Gravity is.. it's minus time, minus space. Gravity is the fabric of space...