Path: csiph.com!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!news.glorb.com!newsgate.cuhk.edu.hk!news.netfront.net!not-for-mail From: The Starmaker Newsgroups: alt.atheism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,alt.astronomy Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 17:57:55 -0700 Organization: Netfront http://www.netfront.net/ Lines: 79 Message-ID: <57143113.2F64@ix.netcom.com> References: <10blgb9unm390ak3v30oiiu8r0ejvctli3@4ax.com> <5n5ogbdlpb7l432dsil246ilv50nlf80eo@4ax.com> <9krpgb58m1ga8ll49355p4d2qm6ab33329@4ax.com> <4jlsgb1cfvrfkkr924f31cn1nf3uo5o57t@4ax.com> <8v7tgbd0ut9n5jocf2rmp7cdga9407a5u2@4ax.com> Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: adenine.netfront.net 1460941040 22100 108.219.229.47 (18 Apr 2016 00:57:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@netfront.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 00:57:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) Xref: csiph.com alt.atheism:2092106 rec.arts.sf.written:438251 sci.physics:571247 sci.physics.relativity:381854 alt.astronomy:284140 Kaptain Krunch wrote: > > In article , > "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" wrote: > > > On 4/14/16 6:46 PM, Kaptain Krunch wrote: > > > In article , > > > "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" wrote: > > > > > >> On 4/13/16 8:15 PM, Kaptain Krunch wrote: > > >>> In article , > > >>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> On 4/13/16 3:37 PM, duke wrote: > > >>>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 10:23:51 -0400, Attila < wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 07:49:30 -0500, duke in > > >>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id > > >>>>>> <9krpgb58m1ga8ll49355p4d2qm6ab33329@4ax.com> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> You're that much closer to the flames. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I do intend to be cremated, remember? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> That's just short-term precooking for the atheist. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> More superstition-based threats. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Well, yes, I'm easy. You're going to have to deal with God and you > > >>>>> can't > > >>>>> win. > > >>>> > > >>>> You assume that not only does God exist, but that you actually are the > > >>>> guy with the right interpretation of what he wants. Given how many sects > > >>>> of Christianity alone, let alone other religions, exist, why should > > >>>> anyone believe that you've got it right? (don't say "The Bible" -- same > > >>>> problem, so many Bible versions and interpretations of it). > > >>>> > > >>> AGREED. So what is YOUR interpretation? Here is the text: "God so > > >>> loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever > > >>> believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life" (John 3 > > >>> KJV) This is the English of the 1600s. What is he saying? > > >>> > > >> > > >> Well, that's a 1600s interpretation of a text that was probably written > > >> in what, Greek or Latin, and that was translated from another language > > >> (Aramaic?). So I'm not sure that it's even coming close to the original > > >> meaning. If *I* were reading that, my question would be "then where are > > >> all these immortal people that should be around?", since anyone who > > >> believed in Jesus and his God should be still alive. > > >> > > >> > > >> Note that my personal view is that of someone raised with no awareness > > >> of active religion until I was in my very late teens or early 20s, so > > >> that as far as I'm concerned there's no difference between the Bible and > > >> my D'Aulaire's Greek Myths or Grimm's Fairy Tales. They're stories > > >> people told that had significance to them, but exactly how they > > >> connected with anything real is often unknown, and sometimes unknowable. > > >> > > >> If God gives a crap about whether I believe in Him/Her/It, they'll have > > >> to show me directly, because they made sure I was raised in a way that > > >> made just believing in them without evidence (and old books without > > >> scientific backing aren't evidence) impossible. > > >> > > > NOT ENOUGH You stated so many Bible versions and interpretations of > > > it). I ask again WHAT IS YOUR INTERPRETATION? (John 3:16 above) > > > Jimbo > > > > > > > > > I did, if you read above. My interpretation would be "Believe in this > > guy and you will be immortal". Which leads me to the question of where > > all those immortal people are, since surely SOME people must have > > believed in the two thousand years or so since. I bet you look like your parents...why is that? --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---