Path: csiph.com!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 00:39:26 -0600 Message-ID: <5684CDC3.79A2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 22:40:03 -0800 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Is Einstein's Relativity Science? References: <20151228181331.52cbcdc1b1adf4a24b221fe6@g{oogle}mail.com> <429892e7-9c02-40a3-ab99-51fdadf4eed2@googlegroups.com> <20151229185059.5965e25f3170bc0fbc93b730@g{oogle}mail.com> <7281546d-bf2c-4160-b845-e2375142770e@googlegroups.com> <20151230134827.c7a719254458a7a8f45902bb@g{oogle}mail.com> <56842EEA.2034@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 95 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.239.141.5 X-Trace: sv3-gdPUzQokpLzeJqul6mYauGxu/jIccS/+wIIFgP9Dr0QF/qwzqo8csiKEZlvK7F4mkmouA9c3Tm9zGIL!VxnnIPeLKCjug8LD+MdL+RC24GO9IHOQHCjxqF04WtBcHznWRWSVqSDjqjU35eWEwv28xo167vi7!GGibruUZYg== X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 4502 X-Received-Bytes: 4614 X-Received-Body-CRC: 620617052 Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:372982 01405 wrote: > > On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 7:22:15 PM UTC, The Starmaker wrote: > > Anton Shepelev wrote: > > > > > > Koobee Wublee: > > > > > > > Koobee Wublee would like to write the Lorentz > > > > transform as the following where the unprimed > > > > frame is using coordinate system (t, x, y, z) to > > > > describe (thus observe) an event, and at the same > > > > time, the primed frame is using coordinate system > > > > (t', x', dy', dz') to describe the same event. > > > > > > > > > > > > ** c dt' = (c dt - v dx) / sqrt(1 - v^2 / c^2) > > > > ** dx' = (dx - v dt) / sqrt(1 - v^2 / c^2) > > > > ** dy' = dy > > > > ** dz' = dz > > > > > > > > [...] Say the twins are A and B. When A is ob- > > > > serving B, > > > > > > > > ** dt_AB sqrt(1 - B'^2) = dt_BB > > > > > > > > Or > > > > > > > > ** dt_AB = dt_BB / sqrt(1 - B'^2) > > > > > > > > Where > > > > > > > > ** A = primed observing the event > > > > ** B = unprimed also observing the event which is itself > > > > ** dt_AB = time at B as observed by A > > > > ** dt_BB = time at B > > > > > > > > When B is observing A, > > > > > > > > ** dt_AA = dt_BA sqrt(1 - B^2) = dt_BA sqrt(1 - B'^2) > > > > > > > > Or > > > > > > > > ** dt_BA = dt_AA / sqrt(1 - B^2) = dt_AA / sqrt(1 - B'^2) > > > > > > > > Where > > > > > > > > ** A = primed also observing the event which is itself > > > > ** B = unprimed observing the event > > > > ** dt_AA = time at A > > > > ** dt_BA = time at A as observed by B > > > > ** B^2 = B'^2 > > > > > > > > To sum up, we have > > > > > > > > ** dt_AB = dt_BB / sqrt(1 - B^2) > > > > ** dt_BA = dt_AA / sqrt(1 - B^2) > > > > > > > > Thus, the contradiction to the Twin paradox is ab- > > > > solutely fatal to the religion of relativity. Af- > > > > ter brainstorming wishing for a divine interven- > > > > tion, the Einstein dingleberries had to create a > > > > new law of physics that divinely apply only to > > > > non-inertial frames of reference, but that is to- > > > > tal bullshit. > > > > > > You have introduced two inertial frames of refer- > > > ence, in which case yes, the clocks in each frame > > > will seem to tick slower to an observer in the other > > > frame. There is no contradiction in that as long as > > > the two clocks are spatially separated. > > > > > > Okay, one item at a time... > > > > When, I repeat...'When' does the clock tick slower? > > > > > > For those that don't know the definition of "When".. > > https://www.google.com/#q=define+when > > > > > So the question is, 'When' does the clock tick slower? > when you dont put in new batteries. Since the clock ticks slower even with new batteries...then it isn't the batteries that is slowing the clock. So the question is, 'When' does the clock tick slower? Not What is slowing the clock, The question is, 'When' does the clock tick slower?