Path: csiph.com!optima2.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!enother.net!enother.net!peer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:03:13 -0500 Message-ID: <55FCFAC8.E33@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:03:52 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Scientists Ask Obama To Prosecute Global Warming Skeptics References: <55FC4ECF.5C5E@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 70 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 45.49.183.72 X-Trace: sv3-xlc4HZ3riHs2+Yln+IWhH2GIqLa5BSDUVRe0OwCiWfvnrQwluHk3IsBbGbzgIk2ICbwQeYGF/ItIj6E!Qx2ZNQdOREn85nR2HvDKE7QsbkLdaizxN/jU9WqrgqL6W6xqed6wvxMzW+yud2PI8xfPRgm5Wnu6!+IXjs0s= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 3733 X-Received-Bytes: 3845 X-Received-Body-CRC: 3124823267 Xref: csiph.com rec.arts.sf.written:423092 sci.physics:521950 sci.physics.relativity:364553 rec.arts.tv:936549 Thomas Heger wrote: > > Am 18.09.2015 20:53, schrieb benj: > > >> > >> http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/17/scientists-ask-obama-to-prosecute-global-warming-skeptics/#ixzz3m6i5gZfj > >> > > > > You said it Starmaker. Hey censorship of political speech as well as > > political prisoners is the traditional way of all Banana Republics, of > > which we have obviously become one. > > Never heard of dailycaller.com. Is this magazine meant as a joke? > > I'm a little insecure, what to think about this article. I understand your insecurity... but, science media stick together and don't want that kind of information printed. So, it's left to those not doing any science hack favors: http://www.iges.org/letter/LetterPresidentAG.pdf http://www.examiner.com/article/scientists-ask-obama-for-rico-investigation-to-end-climate-debate http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/18/global_warming_stopped_in_1998_no_it_didnt_if_you_say_that_youre_going_to_prison/ > > But in principle anybody is free to believe, what he wants. He may also > deny whatever he wants. > > This comes from certain rights, that are regarded as fundamental for the > human society. > > Science is not that free, since science is based on facts - rather than > opinion/believes/usefulness or similar. > > 'Climate change' is certainly a possibilty, even if 'climate' is not > exactly, what is expected to change with 'climate change'. > > Actually meant are changes of the global mean temperatures in long-term > comparison. > > Whether or not such changes occur, that is more or less a scientific > question - and nothing, that usual citizens should worry about. > > If such changes occur and if such developments are caused by human > activities and if there is a chance to prevent future disaster by > changing such habits, than it's getting into the political realm and > it's time to change behaviour to less harmful habits. > > This would then be a political action, where certain activities are > ordered or others are prohibited. > > The common citizen does not need to agree with such decisions neither, > only need to follow such rules. He may actually deny the usefulness of > such laws, but that wouldn't change their validity. > > So, in neither case there is actually a need for people to agree with > scientific statements. It is also not harmful if some (or many) > disagree, as long as scientific discoveries are based on facts and the > decisions of the lawmakers are to the benefit of the people. > > TH