Path: csiph.com!au2pb.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2015 03:11:37 -0500 Message-ID: <55E55DC7.2D51@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2015 01:11:51 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.atheism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. References: <1dt2ualali2a9p1buvmbnv8nk6n4huqka1@4ax.com> <55E48AE1.5403@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 55 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 45.49.183.72 X-Trace: sv3-CBPVVC1mzVU6dGXTucfxgn+uZ7XAUgMExIRe8PrFF/I4RGsK55ShCR4d2dlt8HyRpq/cy/7v2Trvm+Q!iy/dK0bg0qqZiv5vjo9ZDLWjG/5R8hhs1eje9DSx3m/EccdSHA5gZOZ6ELyK8TGPOlNrgKJADaGv!0tYfX3A3 X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 4100 Xref: csiph.com alt.atheism:1974277 rec.arts.sf.written:421685 sci.physics:518354 sci.physics.relativity:362600 Attila < wrote: > > On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:12:01 -0700, The Starmaker > in alt.atheism with message-id > <55E48AE1.5403@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >Attila < wrote: > >> > >> On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 11:18:33 -0400, niunian in > >> alt.atheism with message-id wrote: > >> > >> >On 15-08-29 10:18 PM, Attila < wrote: > >> >> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:40:43 -0400, niunian in > >> >> alt.atheism with message-id wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> "If a tree fell down in the > >> >>> forest and no one was around, did it make a sound?" It was meant to test > >> >>> the student's understanding about the reality. If you answer yes, it > >> >>> shows you have no understanding about Buddhist philosophy. If you answer > >> >>> no, then you have contradicted with the law of nature. The correct > >> >>> answer, as I have given you, is not sure. > >> >> > >> >> If a tree falls it creates a disturbance in the air. That is > >> >> unavoidable. A disturbance sets up waves in the air in which pressure > >> >> varies according to specific physical laws. These waves are defined > >> >> as sound. It doesn't matter if anyone is there to hear them or not. > >> >> They will be created by every such disturbance. > >> >> > >> >> In fact, if a recorder is present that recorder will make a record of > >> >> the sound even though no one is there to hear it. And that record > >> >> will exist whether it is ever heard by anyone or not. > >> > > >> >This is why you can't be a real Buddhist. > >> > >> I have never had the slightest desire to be any kind of a theist. > >> > >> > Buddhist philosophy is > >> >idealism. It believes everything happens in the world by the perception > >> >of the mind. If no one was around, then no one was perceiving the sound, > >> >so there would be no sound. But such answer contradicts with the law of > >> >nature. So it has become a question not too many people can answer to > >> >this day. > >> > >> The world must have been very strange for hundreds of millions of > >> years. Storms, volcanoes, earthquakes, billions of different animals > >> being born, living, and dying all in total silence because there was > >> no one around to hear any of them make any sound. > > > > > >"no one" means people and animals... > > How convenient. There is nothing convenient about having ears. Cows have ears, dogs have ears, the walls have ears...