Path: csiph.com!au2pb.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2015 14:59:37 -0500 Message-ID: <55C7B129.68BE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2015 12:59:37 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.atheism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. References: <2rnvral9oac39a445m9eejbogajcqahl3q@4ax.com> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> <55C50568.3FD9@ix.netcom.com> <55C63177.329F@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 185 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 23.241.144.149 X-Trace: sv3-lx739ih21z6DvTM6ljSGZXlQb5Q9xKPFPoJkPCKvkIJz2KDzB/LwnCQiDKX9juw2lAW4JgDu7LWNP37!W5to5ioTK+vn+8LWka/veCPcC0NGo7u2GtCsYbIjkrGXHOd2fJbPkqZipnfu9RSLl2HZjp1S2osT!HE0sOkzrcGE= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 7708 X-Received-Bytes: 7820 X-Received-Body-CRC: 4203424159 Xref: csiph.com alt.atheism:1956614 rec.arts.sf.written:419525 sci.physics:512189 sci.physics.relativity:360143 Attila < wrote: > > On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:42:31 -0700, The Starmaker > in alt.atheism with message-id > <55C63177.329F@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >Attila < wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 12:22:16 -0700, The Starmaker > >> in alt.atheism with message-id > >> <55C50568.3FD9@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Attila < wrote: > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 00:00:35 -0700, The Starmaker > >> >> in alt.atheism with message-id > >> >> <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >Attila < wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > >> >> >> in alt.atheism with message-id > >> >> >> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Attila < wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke in > >> >> >> >> alt.atheism with message-id > >> >> >> >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > >> >> >> >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > >> >> >> >> >>> etc. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > >> >> >> >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > >> >> >> >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > >> >> >> >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > >> >> >> >> connected to it? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > >> >> >> >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such > >> >> >> >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > >> >> >> >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > >> >> >> >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > >> >> >> >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > >> >> >> >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > >> >> >> >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > >> >> >> >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > >> >> >> >extinct at this day.” > >> >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > >> >> >> > >> >> >> It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > >> >> >> ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > >> >> >> verification from any other sources supporting him. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >How about this ....leading scholar? > >> >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Jesus_Exist%3F_%28Ehrman%29 > >> >> > >> >> Many opinion but few verified independent facts. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >I don't think you're understanding what you're actually saying... > >> > >> Sure I do. > >> > >> > > >> >there are things > >> >that happen > >> >in the past.. > >> >they are 'events'. > >> > >> Yep. > >> > >> > > >> >The events > >> >as they happen > >> >are the evidence. > >> > >> No, that is not evidence. It is easy to make up 'events'. > >> > >> > > >> >They are historical events > >> >that happen a certain way. > >> > >> If they happened of course they happened 'in a certain way'. > >> > >> > > >> >They are the recollections > >> >of people who existed > >> >as they remember them. > >> > >> Fine. Where are these accounts? Are they found in different places? > >> Are they written by different people? Do they agree with the details? > >> > >> IOW, are they independent of each other? > >> > >> > > >> >Are you saying everyone is talking about a person who never existed???? > >> > >> Quite possibly. There is no evidence to the contrary. > >> > >> Many people by that name probably existed but the exact person > >> described? No supporting evidence. > >> > > > > > >Are there many people or even one in the bible with the same name as > >someone else? > > Who cares? You brought it up "Many people by that name probably existed..." > In the real world there are and always have been many > people who have the same name. > > > > > > > > >You're talking about an era, a community with one zip code. > > > >One yellow page. > > > >One phone booth. > > > >A place where every one goes to one person house to watch TV. > > > > > >If you need a carpenter, ...who do you call? > > One the several that worked in every community. > > Just what do you think the population of the world was at that time? A > dozen or so? Do you really think one person in ANY occupation could > have satisfied the demand for his or her services? 250,000 World population number during the time of Jesus Christ... divide that number into countries.....there weren't that many people hanging out at the corner drug store. > > Pity the poor hooker. She would never get any sleep. Hookers *sleep* with people for a living...they gets lots of sleep! They lay down for a living... Haven't you been with a hooker before? You pay her to sleep with you... Maybe the hookers you been with only sleep for 3 seconds... But if you want to know how many hookers there were during Jesus Christ time... since most hookers were Jewish girls...I would say...thousands!