Path: csiph.com!optima2.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.glorb.com!peer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 02:00:33 -0500 Message-ID: <55C45793.73B1@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 00:00:35 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.atheism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. References: <8k1lrah60tmh9kmj4na39snnr6chnftc9l@4ax.com> <0ibprahc4d1ldolt1k411s0ja959r30nep@4ax.com> <2rnvral9oac39a445m9eejbogajcqahl3q@4ax.com> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 55 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 23.241.144.149 X-Trace: sv3-9zZcvPulVa5BoR6CBctaWBxOjHZfC54hALfzWpeyGd9eKuA5vPzhAvtG11C8JjsXePqsG/t3I9l8t8p!HEOncCf+JHcQmENA3OW4+ivq7fWehPf9yjbJH0zZU5psyG/TgcbPOkvClQpUbumKeNrNmRB5kLQS!LlNOAAIWb8g= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 3949 X-Received-Bytes: 4061 X-Received-Body-CRC: 1180689956 Xref: csiph.com alt.atheism:1954664 rec.arts.sf.written:419301 sci.physics:511707 sci.physics.relativity:359886 Attila < wrote: > > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > in alt.atheism with message-id > <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >Attila < wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke in > >> alt.atheism with message-id > >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > >> > >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi wrote: > >> > > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > >> >>> etc. > >> >> > >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > >> > > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > >> > > >> > >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > >> connected to it? > >> > >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > >> > >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > > > > > >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such > >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > >extinct at this day.” > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > > It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > verification from any other sources supporting him. How about this ....leading scholar? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Jesus_Exist%3F_%28Ehrman%29