Path: csiph.com!optima2.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.glorb.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 01:14:46 -0500 Message-ID: <55C44CD8.3DA5@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 23:14:48 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.atheism,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. References: <8k1lrah60tmh9kmj4na39snnr6chnftc9l@4ax.com> <0ibprahc4d1ldolt1k411s0ja959r30nep@4ax.com> <2rnvral9oac39a445m9eejbogajcqahl3q@4ax.com> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> <55C441F1.4E46@ix.netcom.com> <55C44B14.3BF8@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 86 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 23.241.144.149 X-Trace: sv3-ZEauHF3Te/QmYnsghoDZasvS8SPJ4wxtmPTQu6uIoXxZMHERs1C4z8v/NwxURvsZcB8iL3jwy6b7Jf1!+lFBtalA4Il0cdLpG/Ux1Y/IwteIOdEC9ojej0OTp5CKFhNto2GFKsTduMnfiZQKhuJxBBR0gR3T!tIrK4ZfWGvA= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 5482 Xref: csiph.com alt.atheism:1954654 rec.arts.sf.written:419299 sci.physics:511701 sci.physics.relativity:359881 The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Attila < wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 01:10:45 -0700, The Starmaker > > > in alt.atheism with message-id > > > <55C31685.54A6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > >Attila < wrote: > > > >> > > > >> On Tue, 04 Aug 2015 15:02:34 -0500, duke in > > > >> alt.atheism with message-id > > > >> <9g62sat66jooq00mg9ro6fktj8qmg7stdi@4ax.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> >On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:56:09 -0700, talishi wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> >>On 08/03/2015 02:42 PM, duke wrote: > > > >> >>> Prove the American War of Independence occurred. Same difference. No eye > > > >> >>> witnesses to testify. Just documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, > > > >> >>> etc. > > > >> >> > > > >> >>And third party verification (ie France), unlike your gospels. > > > >> > > > > >> >What 3rd party verification. I have the same types of verification for Jesus > > > >> >Christ - documents, accounts of others, paintings, artifacts, etc. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> What do you have that has absolutely no connection, directly or > > > >> indirectly, with your bible? Direct verified accounts or 'paintings' > > > >> by people who never heard of that bible or any person or organization > > > >> connected to it? > > > >> > > > >> What 'artifacts' what are independent of such sources? > > > >> > > > >> Do you understand what 'independent' or 'verified' means? > > > > > > > > > > > >“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to > > > >call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such > > > >men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of > > > >the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when > > > >Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned > > > >him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, > > > >for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine > > > >prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things > > > >concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not > > > >extinct at this day.” > > > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus > > > > > > It is the opinion of many scholars his writings were altered centuries > > > ago to fit the necessary pattern. There is no independent > > > verification from any other sources supporting him. > > > > > > > I'm shocked. > > http://alivecampus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/shocked_face.jpg how about this guy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ “Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus#Tacitus_on_Christ