Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Keith Thompson Newsgroups: sci.logic,sci.math,comp.theory,comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Re: Cantor was wrong about cardinality --- Reals are defined inconsistently Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 15:46:52 -0700 Organization: None to speak of Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <87ftkyfi60.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <87sgoydzm9.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <87blvlequ8.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <4bmdnZCR0LAZOuLAnZ2dnUU7-RfNnZ2d@giganews.com> <4qqdnSmfIroweuLAnZ2dnUU7-cmdnZ2d@giganews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="8286bf823aa591a4447bcf77f162785a"; logging-data="3909"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18LxqTomxK7YfnQjlP6YdwN" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:nMKrISzQeaQ3JCd07Gzrr0s2mZY= sha1:FsNTmDAaOtT0o72pAR9ntX32mgE= Xref: csiph.com sci.logic:210850 sci.math:458487 comp.theory:19923 comp.ai.philosophy:19223 André G. Isaak writes: [...] > I already replied to this post, but wanted to provide an alternative > response in case you don't follow my earlier one. > > [A, B] is defined as all real numbers x such that A <= x <= B > > (A, B] is defined as all real numbers x such that A < x <= B > > What's important to realize here is that you don't get (A,B] by starting > with [A,B] and 'removing the first point'. These are simply two > different intervals. There is no operation involved in which you get one > from the other. I disagree with that last statement, and would be interested in a demonstration that I'm wrong about that. [A,B] is a set of real numbers. (A,B] can be constructed by taking [A,B] and removing a single element, namely A, and similarily vice versa. All members of (A,B] are members of [A,B], and there is exactly one real number that is a member of [A,B] and not of (A,B]. Of course this doesn't imply that there's a "first element" of (A,B]. There clearly isn't. (Pete has correctly recognized a contradiction, but has grabbed onto the wrong end of it.) -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org Will write code for food. void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */