Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ben Bacarisse Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: .999 repeating is almost an infinitely large sequence Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 02:13:12 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 85 Message-ID: <87o7l33u1j.fsf@bsb.me.uk> References: <82dcd740-2e36-4612-a43f-6e516ffd53e9n@googlegroups.com> <87v8fb5e4l.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <87jzvr5ctl.fsf@bsb.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="30bd7937b87860f973277a7390f3a6b0"; logging-data="695624"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/OiFwItNGXiYt7cny2ndoZRqk+5kM4gJ0=" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:qjKQ4VOgRAeLeNLF365LjlfqF+E= sha1:eb9xmBmUhV8xUQmd73TJVXXgFFY= X-BSB-Auth: 1.3138c41dd96e5d99ac06.20230626021312BST.87o7l33u1j.fsf@bsb.me.uk Xref: csiph.com sci.math:603294 "Chris M. Thomasson" writes: > On 6/25/2023 4:42 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote: >> "Chris M. Thomasson" writes: >> >>> On 6/25/2023 4:19 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: >>>> On 6/25/2023 4:14 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote: >>>>> "Chris M. Thomasson" writes: >>>>> >>>>>> Check this out: >>>>>> >>>>>> i[n] = (floor(1/9 * 10^n) / 10^n) * 9 = .999.... >>>>>> >>>>>> Right? >>>>> >>>>> No.  There is no n (in ℕ) that makes that equation hold. >>>>> >>>>>> Lets check: >>>>> >>>>> OK... >>>>> >>>>>> i[0] = (floor(1/9 * 10^0) / 10^0) * 9 = 0 >>>>>> i[1] = (floor(1/9 * 10^1) / 10^1) * 9 = .9 >>>>>> i[2] = (floor(1/9 * 10^2) / 10^2) * 9 = .99 >>>>>> i[3] = (floor(1/9 * 10^3) / 10^3) * 9 = .999 >>>>>> ... >>>>>> >>>>>> See? >>>>> >>>>> Do you?  None of i[n] = 0.999... >>>>> >>>> When n is taken to infinity, it equals .(9), right? >>> >>> n is without limit. Therefore the iterates go on forever and always get >>> closer and closer to one. .999... = 1 >> Are you trying to say that lim_{n->oo} i[n] = 1? > > i[n] just denotes the iterates of: > > i[n] = (floor(1/9 * 10^n) / 10^n) * 9 > > the infinite iterates are .(9) So you are not simply saying that lim_{n->oo} i[n] = 1? OK. I wonder what all these other words mean if not the simple fact that lim_{n->oo} i[n] = 1. >>> I am not exactly sure why: >>> >>> i[n] = (floor(1/9 * 10^n) / 10^n) * 9 >>> >>> would not equal .(9) when n is taken to infinity. >> lim_{n->oo} i[n] = 1. Is that what you mean? >> My objection was to this: >> i[n] = (floor(1/9 * 10^n) / 10^n) * 9 = .999.... >> It looks like an equation, but there is no n that satisfies it. > > i[n] means use n in the formula, No. It denotes a (functional) term in an equation (or other formula). This, for example is correct: i[n] < 1 but this i[n] = 1 is not. (Once defined, you don't have to keep repeating the complex definition you've come up with for i[n].) > so lets break it down for the first couple > of iterates: > > i[0] = (floor(1/9 * 10^0) / 10^0) * 9 = 0 > i[1] = (floor(1/9 * 10^1) / 10^1) * 9 = .9 > i[2] = (floor(1/9 * 10^2) / 10^2) * 9 = .99 > i[3] = (floor(1/9 * 10^3) / 10^3) * 9 = .999 > ... All correct. i[n] = .(9) = 1 is not. I am not sure what the problem is other than you can only think in a sort of process/programming mode. -- Ben.