Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Starmaker Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.math Subject: Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2026 11:39:09 -0800 Organization: The Starmaker Organization Lines: 146 Message-ID: <6AE7955D.10C7@ix.netcom.com> References: <11bs07v$1464k$1@dont-email.me> <6AE420A2.49B0@ix.netcom.com> <6AE508C6.1F8F@ix.netcom.com> <4RCdnTLUe4-M2Hj3nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <6AE56445.20CC@ix.netcom.com> <6AE6C00A.3649@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2026 19:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; logging-data="2382285"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX194eEQRdUDS9I9uZPYz6j7yDvZ2AEkw0nk="; posting-host="cf0ea24fa5c8e71ae1599bff2748cdb0" Cancel-Lock: sha1:rWvRPn5T1JfSeh31T/rRZXrkeOQ= sha256:ai6WCafQF5eEm3ySFYMeEAnG37SdQmNEKPWmKXwQbTc= sha1:dS/vk6GCmbTGe+oBxVvEzZ65XEk= sha256:Wtd5D9qBXa2dbTF17UtGad79qFtnj4yqN0dZEDX7sjQ= X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 261101-2, 11/01/2026), Outbound message Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:675455 sci.math:648492 Ross Finlayson wrote: > > On 10/31/2026 09:28 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > >> > >> Ross Finlayson wrote: > >>> > >>> On 10/30/2026 02:14 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>> Ross Finlayson wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> On 10/29/2026 09:44 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>>>> amirjf wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Cheers > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 'In the beginning,.." > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "In" > >>>>>> > >>>>>> in > >>>>>> /in/ > >>>>>> preposition > >>>>>> > >>>>>> expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be > >>>>>> enclosed or surrounded by something else. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Beginning > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> to start > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> infinite has no beginning or end. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So, most likely your universe is finite. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Eternity since forever. > >>>>> > >>>>> A few hundreds years ago, Earth was 6,000 years old. > >>>>> > >>>>> By a hundred years ago, the dinosaurs lived millions > >>>>> of years ago. > >>>>> > >>>>> In the 1960's, the Universe was 3 billion years old. > >>>>> In the '80's, it was 6-10. > >>>>> By the Y2K, it was more than 13.6 billion years old, > >>>>> and it got 200 million years older every year. > >>>>> Then, JWST at least doubled that. > >>>>> > >>>>> At this rate, it will be arbitrarily old, soon enough. > >>>>> > >>>>> Also "particles" get an order of magnitude smaller > >>>>> every few years, with "NIST PDG CODATA" and > >>>>> "running constants". > >>>>> > >>>>> So, according to science, its age/size is going to infinity, > >>>>> and its grain is going to smooth. > >>>>> > >>>>> Most likely you are afraid of infinity and continuity. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Okay, let's start at 'the beginning'... > >>>> > >>>> I count 1,2,3,4,5,6------13.6 billion > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Infinity has no beginning. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> How can I start a count??? > >>>> > >>>> Do I start counting before the beginning?? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> i'm not good at math... > >>>> > >>>> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > >>>> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > >>>> and challenge the unchallengeable. > >>>> > >>> > >>> 0 + 0, infinity - 0, 0 + 1, infinity - 1, 0 + 2, infinity - 2, .... > >>> > >>> Count toward the middle. > >>> > >>> Shirley you must have heard of Zeno's arguments, > >>> showing that your finite counting can never achieve > >>> completion, then Polly you had pre-calculus and learned > >>> the definition of the inductive limit, after being told > >>> that the "atoms" of the unit line segment didn't exist, > >>> the infinitesimals, though calculus was called infinitesimal > >>> analysis for hundreds of years. > >>> > >>> Then, when induction _fails_, and only deduction _suffices_, > >>> then it's related to particular templates of geometric examples > >>> about the geometric series here or Zeno's arrow, or otherwise > >>> the geometric series, when deduction _completes_ then that's > >>> a "super-classical" reasoning, that anybody has, who ever figured > >>> out that finite arguments may _fail_ in the infinite, and that > >>> the _infinite_ for the _continuous_ lives in the numbers, > >>> and the geometry, and the physics. > >> > >> Is 13.6 billion the age of the universe? > > > > > > It is my understanding the new number is 26.7 billion years. > > > > > > yous guys gots to get your maths right... > > > > > > Check back later, it'll change again. I was hoping you had permission to change it by now... ok, here's a easy one for you..it's about clocks! If you have one clock here and another clock there.. Which clock has the true time? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.