Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Starmaker Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.math Subject: Re: Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2026 21:28:58 -0700 Organization: The Starmaker Organization Lines: 123 Message-ID: <6AE6C00A.3649@ix.netcom.com> References: <11bs07v$1464k$1@dont-email.me> <6AE420A2.49B0@ix.netcom.com> <6AE508C6.1F8F@ix.netcom.com> <4RCdnTLUe4-M2Hj3nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <6AE56445.20CC@ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2026 04:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; logging-data="1790587"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+IusOhRFq8/SfUhRkfubmJDmJkLXjk/eM="; posting-host="cf0ea24fa5c8e71ae1599bff2748cdb0" Cancel-Lock: sha1:MySPDIgAv/mttIKYelw8FEG5ASo= sha256:UAJUacJWqTgj+oP5CWJEQdtQCtg4rTYt962bXRsMAh4= sha1:GDV0bFvYw7pl+StO59kP06kHShI= sha256:uU4MmqPqyNlFKPOqfQpFEOAq9ArCfEo0OgFVMv6i63Q= X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 261031-10, 10/31/2026), Outbound message X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Xref: csiph.com sci.physics.relativity:675426 sci.math:648485 The Starmaker wrote: > > Ross Finlayson wrote: > > > > On 10/30/2026 02:14 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > > Ross Finlayson wrote: > > >> > > >> On 10/29/2026 09:44 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > >>> amirjf wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Which makes more sense: a finite or infinite universe? > > >>>> > > >>>> Cheers > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> 'In the beginning,.." > > >>> > > >>> "In" > > >>> > > >>> in > > >>> /in/ > > >>> preposition > > >>> > > >>> expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be > > >>> enclosed or surrounded by something else. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Beginning > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> to start > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> infinite has no beginning or end. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> So, most likely your universe is finite. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> Eternity since forever. > > >> > > >> A few hundreds years ago, Earth was 6,000 years old. > > >> > > >> By a hundred years ago, the dinosaurs lived millions > > >> of years ago. > > >> > > >> In the 1960's, the Universe was 3 billion years old. > > >> In the '80's, it was 6-10. > > >> By the Y2K, it was more than 13.6 billion years old, > > >> and it got 200 million years older every year. > > >> Then, JWST at least doubled that. > > >> > > >> At this rate, it will be arbitrarily old, soon enough. > > >> > > >> Also "particles" get an order of magnitude smaller > > >> every few years, with "NIST PDG CODATA" and > > >> "running constants". > > >> > > >> So, according to science, its age/size is going to infinity, > > >> and its grain is going to smooth. > > >> > > >> Most likely you are afraid of infinity and continuity. > > > > > > > > > Okay, let's start at 'the beginning'... > > > > > > I count 1,2,3,4,5,6------13.6 billion > > > > > > > > > > > > Infinity has no beginning. > > > > > > > > > How can I start a count??? > > > > > > Do I start counting before the beginning?? > > > > > > > > > i'm not good at math... > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > and challenge the unchallengeable. > > > > > > > 0 + 0, infinity - 0, 0 + 1, infinity - 1, 0 + 2, infinity - 2, .... > > > > Count toward the middle. > > > > Shirley you must have heard of Zeno's arguments, > > showing that your finite counting can never achieve > > completion, then Polly you had pre-calculus and learned > > the definition of the inductive limit, after being told > > that the "atoms" of the unit line segment didn't exist, > > the infinitesimals, though calculus was called infinitesimal > > analysis for hundreds of years. > > > > Then, when induction _fails_, and only deduction _suffices_, > > then it's related to particular templates of geometric examples > > about the geometric series here or Zeno's arrow, or otherwise > > the geometric series, when deduction _completes_ then that's > > a "super-classical" reasoning, that anybody has, who ever figured > > out that finite arguments may _fail_ in the infinite, and that > > the _infinite_ for the _continuous_ lives in the numbers, > > and the geometry, and the physics. > > Is 13.6 billion the age of the universe? It is my understanding the new number is 26.7 billion years. yous guys gots to get your maths right... -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.