Path: csiph.com!feeder.erje.net!1.us.feeder.erje.net!news.glorb.com!peer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!buffer2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:25:51 -0500 Message-ID: <57D8A777.34FB@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2016 18:27:19 -0700 From: The Starmaker Reply-To: starmaker@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.math,rec.arts.sf.written,sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. References: <57D829A8.4692@ix.netcom.com> <57D87874.6243@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 69 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 108.219.229.47 X-Trace: sv3-rh07iJcFzW+7cMur1TgrIyz5JndetO3lUIw0pfnbjHQMVVjytRN3Sle64+rl1anW561inp0Ym+/KTes!e+5oekvOGQX0NQIDwGk/I9HcOeoptVS6PHqgR9mRQ0KDpqmlHpHjjjWQHCKcL03Yrr4w7QGqhroC!oD/JMYc4TDE= X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 3101 X-Received-Bytes: 3223 X-Received-Body-CRC: 3565067806 Xref: csiph.com sci.math:345474 rec.arts.sf.written:451337 sci.physics:596889 sci.physics.relativity:392268 Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > > On 9/13/2016 3:06 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > >> > >> On 9/13/2016 9:30 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>> I'll try to make this brief.. > >>> > >>> Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. > >>> > >>> Take for example: > >>> > >>> The "Mandelbrot set" > >> > >> Mandelbrot wanted to see what happens when the orbits of z=z^2+c stay > >> small vs the ones that blow up into infinity. He got some of his > >> colleagues to write a program to graph it, and out popped the Mandelbrot > >> set. AFAICT, it was quite a beautiful discovery. > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> It is no different > >>> than giving an Artist > >>> cannabis > >>> and music > >>> and you get the same effect > >>> in the mind of the Artist > >>> that you get with the > >>> "Mandelbrot set". > >> > >> I would like to see a stoned Artist plot the set by hand. Wouldn't it > >> kill their buzz? > > > > > > I didn't say "by hand", I wrote: "in the mind of the Artist" > > > > > > "in the mind..." > > Wow. Smoking weed and listing to music can create zooms of the set in > your mind? Well of course! If you do a google Image search for 1970's vintage posters during the turn-on generation, you will see ' zooms of the set' https://img1.etsystatic.com/043/0/9722227/il_fullxfull.636981077_rkpv.jpg http://67.media.tumblr.com/febcd47fc00a46dc729f039f7a27ee49/tumblr_nb10gavOKy1sndzdgo1_1280.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/22/96740684_c3f1867877.jpg http://www.trippystore.com/shop/images/items/005195.jpg > > > > > > > That is where The "Mandelbrot set" exist Only, in the Mind. > > Na. You can actually plot it, its not that hard and pretty > straightforward. Have you ever tried to do it? You can do it without using math... cannabis and music .... the math version is just....LSD with numbers.