Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Joerg Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: H-1B Reform Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2017 10:02:30 -0800 Lines: 61 Message-ID: References: <8c2e13af-66be-4681-9e6e-f35419b90258@googlegroups.com> <67695248-fea5-41ee-9ff9-155211f69235@googlegroups.com> <0fbf9chcqjmofpabcrb4i97qjvg0fecj65@4ax.com> <078i9chma6er7dlh3tf0dk02qq0k0qjukh@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net RPE0ywX42tUieGYjtPfIfgy0tIlW7iWjTQDe4PwjHmXgq04eYI Cancel-Lock: sha1:R+k1ZpixZNYtcMo9wirImXhoLtE= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070728 Thunderbird/2.0.0.6 Mnenhy/0.7.6.666 In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com sci.electronics.design:446660 On 2017-02-07 09:18, krw@notreal.com wrote: > On Tue, 07 Feb 2017 07:49:06 -0800, Joerg > wrote: > >> On 2017-02-06 17:26, krw@notreal.com wrote: >>> On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 07:27:48 -0800, Joerg >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2017-02-05 15:02, krw@notreal.com wrote: [...] >>>>> ... It really is impossible to find hundreds of >>>>> contractors, quickly, in the US. H1B contractors fill the crests in >>>>> workload so the employee base is more stable (we have a number of >>>>> contract EEs, too, but they're not H1Bs). >>>>> >>>> >>>> It's perfectly ok to use H1B contractors. However, they need to be paid >>>> prevailing wage or higher and that must be _verified_ which is super >>>> easy to do. I have suggested that all the time but it wasn't done. Now >>>> it will be because the new administration seems to understand some stuff >>>> that previous ones didn't. >>> >>> The H1Bs at my CPoE aren't paid the same as employees, sure, but they >>> don't have the same responsibilities, either. They're basically code >>> jockeys. >>> >> >> Once they have to start paying them $130k/year each they will probably >> find Americans for that job, and fast. There are plenty of un- or >> under-employed coders around. > > No, they'd just move *all* jobs overseas. > Sure, that can happen. Then we need to find out why we cannot perform these design tasks here and do something about it. >> H1B was meant to obtain special talent that could not be found in the US >> or where we simply don't have enough engineers, not for hiring scores of >> cheap programmers. Now it will (hopefully) revert to that original intent. > > "Special" has lots of meanings. The restriction is that the job is > unfillable with resident labor. > Why are they unfillable? For certain high-skill or niche jobs it is certainly true. WRT programmers what I hear is more like the first part of this article, they are heaving trouble finding enough gigs or employment: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/04/the-myth-of-americas-tech-talent-shortage/275319/ -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/