Path: csiph.com!feeder.erje.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!news.unit0.net!news.panservice.it!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: davidson@freevolt.org Newsgroups: linux.debian.user Subject: Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers? Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2017 00:40:01 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-user-request@lists.debian.org Sat Sep 2 22:39:17 2017 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.207 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, RDNS_NONE=0.793] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate:hard: -7 User-Agent: Alpine 2.10 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-154379142-213633091-1504392393=:23512" X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/726020 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/alpine.DEB.2.10.1709022212290.23512@freevolt.org Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 39 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 22:46:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-References: <20170902183453.bchvqi5ijkxz7j73@ddeb.ddeb.net> <6fb14d33-8a85-ae32-0d51-85ea1c29b6c1@yandex.com> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.user:186329 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---154379142-213633091-1504392393=:23512 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sat, 2 Sep 2017, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: [snip] > On 02/09/17 13:34, Dejan Jocic wrote: >> You can set up both Vim and Emacs as powerful programming editors. > > These are the *worst* possible suggestions. Both of these editors > require a lot of learning to even use them at all. If the OP follows > your advice, his users will have the impression that all software in > GNU/Linux is as arcane and difficult to use as GNU Emacs and Vim > are. I somehow doubt that you yourself find Emacs or Vim "difficult to use", or believe their design is "arcane". (Of course, I might well be mistaken. I'm only guessing.) My contrary view, for whatever it might be worth: In the early weeks of my own initiation to a unix-like operating system, we used Emacs. Accompanied by a cheat-sheet of commonly useful keyboard shortcuts, I found that learning the basics of Emacs in particular, and navigating the self-contained documentation, was an eye-opening introduction to the unix-like world and its universe of reliable tools. When, many years later, I developed a greater interest in computers, I was happy to discover that 1. I hadn't been taught only how to ride a tricycle, but had been riding a full-fledged bicycle all along, and 2. I would never need to learn to use another text-editor again, if I didn't want to do so. ---154379142-213633091-1504392393=:23512--