Path: csiph.com!news.redatomik.org!aioe.org!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: =?UTF-8?Q?Mario_Castel=c3=a1n_Castro?= Newsgroups: linux.debian.user Subject: Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers? Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2017 21:10:01 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-user-request@lists.debian.org Sat Sep 2 19:03:49 2017 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.799 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, PGPSIGNATURE=-5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: NOT_IN_SBL_XBL_SPAMHAUS=-1.5 NOT_IN_BL_NJABL=-1.5 CL_IP_EQ_HELO_IP=-2 (check from: .yandex. - helo: .forward5o.cmail.yandex. - helo-domain: .yandex.) FROM/MX_MATCHES_HELO(DOMAIN)=-2; rate: -7 Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1504379007; bh=eDs4hDd8mM1KyW3Lz+sDVz5ODykJuNDb0gPZy9dwyMM=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To; b=C53BlUSDrK5fgpO1PAS33ox4kVhtsSd8O0nrVrWmHx+nczyk8fyipWpC0U9nQHHB6 vJACEz8Optdh67kXQSzc/UGwAwMvVqNAjQNx8iBzwAX7qPwMCmX1Nm3WDbAQJCEJ+8 AHXJSITgXQfoYO7SUR/Jz5ykn/sUXNS0ZGK9XUcE= Authentication-Results: smtp2p.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com X-Yandex-Suid-Status: 1 0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eRdCJRLsqgL33ffLBiGXNPBLoIFUaQ5bV" X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/726005 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/6fb14d33-8a85-ae32-0d51-85ea1c29b6c1@yandex.com Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 70 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 14:03:23 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <6fb14d33-8a85-ae32-0d51-85ea1c29b6c1@yandex.com> X-Original-References: <20170902183453.bchvqi5ijkxz7j73@ddeb.ddeb.net> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.user:186316 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --eRdCJRLsqgL33ffLBiGXNPBLoIFUaQ5bV Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="awFNwxRWUqvpT62vk21vkmWS2ga6A0l0t"; protected-headers="v1" From: =?UTF-8?Q?Mario_Castel=c3=a1n_Castro?= To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Message-ID: <6fb14d33-8a85-ae32-0d51-85ea1c29b6c1@yandex.com> Subject: Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers? References: <20170902183453.bchvqi5ijkxz7j73@ddeb.ddeb.net> In-Reply-To: <20170902183453.bchvqi5ijkxz7j73@ddeb.ddeb.net> --awFNwxRWUqvpT62vk21vkmWS2ga6A0l0t Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > My Linux user group is setting up one desktop computer and one laptop > computer for lending to our local library as an educational resource fo= r > folks who want to explore what Linux is all about. We are using Debian= 9 > for now. The first think is to realize that Linux is a kernel, not an operating system. A more appropriate name for the OS is GNU/Linux. Moreover, that is the name Debian uses for its GNU/Linux versions (it also has other kernels available). >I am open to any suggestions for standard packages we should add. I have= already installed gcc and friends as well as Scilab, R, Perl 6, and some other stuff, including emacs. Useful suggestions can not be given in this regard because it dpeneds on what the users are going to do with the computer. Just leaving a computer with GNU/Linux is not a good idea to teach people about GNU/Linux. You should have a person there to show them the system and talk about free software. On 02/09/17 13:34, Dejan Jocic wrote: > You can set up both Vim and Emacs as powerful programming editors. These are the *worst* possible suggestions. Both of these editors require a lot of learning to even use them at all. If the OP follows your advice, his users will have the impression that all software in GNU/Linux is as arcane and difficult to use as GNU Emacs and Vim are. --=20 Do not eat animals; respect them as you respect people. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=3Dhow+to+(become+OR+eat)+vegan --awFNwxRWUqvpT62vk21vkmWS2ga6A0l0t-- --eRdCJRLsqgL33ffLBiGXNPBLoIFUaQ5bV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARMIAB0WIQS+wkyTBs7vJfjGA262380TuSZA2QUCWasAewAKCRC2380TuSZA 2X23AP9sjFKdb0hwCFt7Ywu38nAMyEmaqCQZRfn/ZN7ker1zNwD+LgdE0gC/xkF0 s2mK63LQShuRP4GAU4QEUXAoHxL6+yo= =zKdR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --eRdCJRLsqgL33ffLBiGXNPBLoIFUaQ5bV--