Path: csiph.com!goblin2!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news2.arglkargh.de!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!gothmog.csi.it!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Ric Moore Newsgroups: linux.debian.user Subject: Re: Every opportunity taken (Was: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC...) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 17:30:02 +0100 Message-ID: References: X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-user-request@lists.debian.org Thu Mar 17 16:29:41 2016 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.799 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate: -7 Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=iSROQFCdCKNyF/K4K8J6RgT3FTnNcmK9LLl4Zkva45w=; b=zMCCb1NSlvBAC6Hig48Qvot0u3gZA+YAklTZMiidgc2WqVBWxDXT1a67No+NgTFJ4k 36TW5SgwLj/dUMNlvbHl29QC/XsC6lu461gr9vrhx4MNA77Vo+pfhYALi9mlpxQYRp4+ dyzVIiZIBkRZ3DQviSEdM5Csk+s6BEnLKJ/BukriGjhI+1LtIuhyuUdMea8JXz5tkpLE AuuaeFYmo9x3h3rCxZwU+37UThPpSopEKDcpaABb5sG/KlTqpOrYPLSCVrXqc0oS9v6h 8S2dO4FkzogX0kxKTYXm5jW5ZqZTcFzislHyB1lyf9xbLQWrr6suzZ0Y3wo15rOGuGLA d89g== X-Google-Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iSROQFCdCKNyF/K4K8J6RgT3FTnNcmK9LLl4Zkva45w=; b=MsgPkbUt1yfh0pq+nWVEg0aG9KeQDGWalbVQJ94ids6HxIB82Rp70jEvjOXj3AOclm wYMvBJOUpr+rJdZa4gKbHEzYu13dPKr1bIlVxKTKSeyz/WO34cl/UA45WeKOvX8piyJm k3zWGvtTnlHJoWw2x7J9iAai8LMjDuzRUQ5zh/1l9HChtObRmK65yT4AMa4rEhHRXg5a lJiXHjiCBlePsiIWy3q31/0jcvgGsCARHo/yl2IK3ThRKsIadOUem5E1Yy9bpJkv2TtT 7RFv4prAbAqhc/GaPFCEZS9aMavUCS0MglqX5DGdbl6gqshND9KpkyUkHtgO02HvV4fn tVPQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJLlNUKFwuEoItru7c8vNFNVNIxFdxMhD3EvkQUYXBoyYQ19OyBsQCHq1sjRBudzWA== X-Received: by 10.141.2.11 with SMTP id e11mr16504098qhd.69.1458232164991; Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:29:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/705032 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/56EADB63.20908@gmail.com Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 52 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 12:29:23 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <56EADB63.20908@gmail.com> X-Original-References: <08032016114359.6f7ef19fab77@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk> <201603111702.49325.gheskett@shentel.net> <20160312075049.GA25469@tuxteam.de> <201603121246.08796.lisi.reisz@gmail.com> <20160314194702.4d92a1d5@riseup.net> <20160315054313.11e32268@riseup.net> <56E836C4.7050401@zen.co.uk> <20160317085817.75e1200a@riseup.net> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.user:165544 On 03/17/2016 01:58 AM, Adam Wilson wrote: > On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 20:38:04 +0100 deloptes wrote: > >> Martin Read wrote: >> >>> On 15/03/16 07:45, deloptes wrote: >>>> I see recently more python code written than real C/C++. >>> >>> So what? Most programs *shouldn't* be written in C or C++, and I say >>> this as someone who loves C and C++ and reaches for one of them by >>> default as the language for solving computing problems. (Unless they >>> involve substantial quantities of text manipulation, in which case I >>> reach for Perl because neither C nor C++ have even *remotely* >>> satisfactory capabilities in that regard.) >>> >>> There are specific circumstances in which a low/medium-level systems >>> programming language like C or C++ is the right choice for >>> implementing solutions to a computing problem. I submit that *most* >>> programs are not subject to those circumstances, and thus there are >>> better languages for implementing most programs. >>> >>> Python is probably the right language less often than people use >>> it, but for most jobs people do with it, C or C++ would be just as >>> wrong a choice, if not more so. >> >> I agree with you more or less, however languages like python or perl >> open doors to pretend-to-be-programmers. I've seen more often bad >> python/perl code than c/c++. > > C/C++ arrogance at its best! I could maybe understand it if you called > C# or Java users pretend-to-be-programmers, but Python, and especially > Perl, really aren't as bad or as threatening as you make them out to be. > >> My observations are also that there is always a penalty, even if you >> compile the script code into binary. So if something has to be robust >> and fast, one should always prefer c/c++. But this is really out of >> topic here. > > And if Python or Perl are more suited to the task at hand, by all means > use them! > > P.S. What's wrong with OT? OT is fun! We got run off the OT list for being OT. :) Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html