Path: csiph.com!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: "Paul R. Tagliamonte" Newsgroups: linux.debian.project Subject: Re: Censorship in Debian Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 17:00:02 +0100 Message-ID: References: X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-project-request@lists.debian.org Thu Dec 27 15:57:11 2018 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.199 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate: -7 Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xRdhC0umI/hQ9xqeFb2/EmkdKSRcMBXV9hyRU5cuy0w=; b=C0GAFeo4vGyYlXjZHd5eygXffPasOxs1TkNjmVB++1m4Oj0SW5p5V70LWtJ1rB6VpJ DwFwe5DUQTrXFMu0wHzgGonR4/KO835ib8fax9N2P/pUWwhgXPqziH6CwFfNZT5FsrRS oDJkgYD2Y5YD/iymMR/WR7MZHV66umTQvwPesRw3/xd2LYedlEQJK4kEbOANEQ3bhiC4 97+1so7vDtqSGprj99YWrLNYPzTyXWi6qV9eMo6J28GT4vIZZR1PyKJKMXJe+mNkIXHd ME+KgK8RmFPn+1EW21v4XXVgp/ezrcOA4Op1Mb7/nkLwjUgXQjbchIFhzeYTo69/79HA JEDw== X-Google-Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xRdhC0umI/hQ9xqeFb2/EmkdKSRcMBXV9hyRU5cuy0w=; b=nrKkgFfzKKwCbCoYc4ri0MBLyK8cO2b1Geos8Oj0/UzVEVU6uz38AX/ZZ56SvDj/vW YO4JFCJoh9SDrrN8DovSf3pXVwObhuCdKZvMfY6vd4hV7nmAJGAb0P7wKVb2+njlGrfK ORJqd6pARvIR5EwFx26He2kfpxJeaBdptzwirxj3hKz9bS8GU1xrthc+5FS1gu9vdpPx wXHzmu5qJs/boMFEMePWwDxq32/nnPK9RSO2/qWO26etghHLKVxq82BJLvYWlpsS54xx tg3ABBf2O5Ks0WwJtlI/KlgbXSivNI+DtHiJoybv82mUqvbR9Vgy4OuMGqJs+tJIqewZ hGcQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukcvNhDwAR1toPQ+sYlHGIqLe/VxvrAnMi7IY1n3MfFAz+UP28wi 0NA9hHti0G8HosbkKe4KznWzFxHpXJTjm6jXfasnGZnK X-Google-SMTP-Source: ALg8bN61ZV29+LLx0DiHbX2Uhz2urImk8tiqsiczx8ci96vBY8ejoFRiBriJQxZG9q3R6/lwapVXGHNT6F0iMkhoOmg= X-Received: by 2002:a37:a5c9:: with SMTP id o192mr21964416qke.140.1545925174367; Thu, 27 Dec 2018 07:39:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27796 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/CAO6P2QSrfy6cvh=BPH4RtM4p53MLHYaPGMEGr-HDkkeZBEmXSw@mail.gmail.com Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 36 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Cc: debian-project@lists.debian.org X-Original-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 10:39:19 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-References: <20181225161353.GA10000@burischnitzel.preining.info> <20181226143812.2xu2nlcd6dyhef37@enricozini.org> <20181226145916.GA19961@bulldog.preining.info> <20181227023122.GC19651@bulldog.preining.info> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.project:10057 This entire thread is so cringy, this is likely my last reply. On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 9:31 PM Norbert Preining wrote: > > Paul, > > On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Paul R. Tagliamonte wrote: > > Please, all, get some perspective and stop with the comparisons to labor > > camps, targeted killings, prisons and sentences of death. We sound like > > You did not understand the meaning of this comparison: The point was > that the correct agreed upon and legal procedures have not been > followed. And you deliberately removed this part from your email and > consideration. Gulags and military tribunals were both legal. They were not policy or procedure fouls. They were not foibles. It was intentional and targeted. They were ways to murder dissidents. Say what you want about our ability to self-govern the Debian community, and ways we've messed up, we've never killed anyone as part of the expulsion process, and the comparisons need to stop, even if I'm still "missing the point" and people consider what happened with anti-harassment unfair. A-H is not killing DDs. Stop comparing them to it. It's a very simple point. > It is not about the planet, it is about expulsion that did not follow > the rules. This *can* be consider a libel case due to influences on my > professional life. > > Best > > Norbert Paul