Path: csiph.com!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Scott Kitterman Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: Policy About Maintainer and Uploaders Fields (was: PAPT: join request) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 21:20:02 +0100 Message-ID: References: X-Original-To: debian-python@lists.debian.org X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Mon Nov 11 20:18:00 2019 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.1 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FOURLA=0.1, LDO_WHITELIST=-5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate:hard: -5.5 Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kitterman.com; i=@kitterman.com; q=dns/txt; s=201903e; t=1573503463; h=date : in-reply-to : references : mime-version : content-type : content-transfer-encoding : subject : to : from : message-id : from; bh=L4aXFFIqb2QLVi+nzjg9P2HH/tAOS3MJ3EKe6bHJZqM=; b=xF5uir3Bm4btaSrLu7424sAeXY4jLrj/nyZxQK3KbGR05LGeQY7SI6Qd HGu1XE/ik+f/3rddbvzlQYrmH0dMCw== Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kitterman.com; i=@kitterman.com; q=dns/txt; s=201903r; t=1573503463; h=date : in-reply-to : references : mime-version : content-type : content-transfer-encoding : subject : to : from : message-id : from; bh=L4aXFFIqb2QLVi+nzjg9P2HH/tAOS3MJ3EKe6bHJZqM=; b=cLtY6uDyMCgAsJho0ws4leAggUoWraEVSqbfwv1BHRqnRwVNxLuF73D9 gtuKmFCTnol6drE+eL3svFSwc07qkjfOHi1bQ2vzrawOmhwlHBzczsyYUY t2ueVa7ElK2uEU/8SObERXMd0cK96zuJLhYsRuRh1nzwVvUV8xCpFaKUtN NadF8tU1KdkliTpMr0JIZpj6rd2qwPgL6QZGJZ079GZqe5u5jrRozIII/g 1w8MIKAz6Vk/QgFqNzbz9Am5doen4fO0WlXV20Y8h6NOkA9ZnaRjESGz3l 0VB9mjM/opD2RfjIK3Cd0672dxBl2yrK/srVhaxYI/vSX9wfIeHWMw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17578 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/A2C7CC6E-CB75-48A6-9B81-2CE0865E206D@kitterman.com Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 45 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 20:17:33 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-References: <87lfsqdcrq.fsf@manticora> <5ace2b09-9b75-51ca-c908-d28adee8bdd6@debian.org> <4b1fa59f-79b4-00c7-8f39-5f91627d3ab3@debian.org> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:12004 On November 10, 2019 10:09:57 PM UTC, Thomas Goirand w= rote: >On 11/10/19 1:20 AM, Sandro Tosi wrote: >> is there any public trace of these "many voices"? > >Just like when we discussed moving away from SVN to Git, we can't know >the exact number unless we have a kind of poll/vote (but we don't >actually *have* to start such poll=2E=2E=2E I'm just saying it's hard to = know >otherwise)=2E > >However, I can account for maybe 5 people (it's hard to remember) who >told me (face to face) they hate this policy, and it felt like there >was >a broad consensus that it was really against a team spirit, plus it >made >little sense to have a package team maintained with strong ownership=2E I >wouldn't name the persons I have in mind publicly, because they haven't >granted me the permission to do so, and therefore, it wouldn't be nice >to do so=2E > >All of this is just feelings I had during conversations with others, >and >of course, cannot be accounted as just plain facts, so just take it as >it is: just a report of the feeling I had when talking with others, >that >it looks like I'm far from the only one disliking this policy because >of >the above mentioned reasons=2E > >As Louis-Philippe wrote, it's very much ok to delay this conversation, >but sooner or later, it will come back on the table=2E Personally, I've been judicious in putting myself as Maintainer in DPMT an= d PAPT packages=2E If we were to ditch the current policy, my immediate re= sponse would be to remove DPMT/PAPT from uploaders and maintain them outsid= e the team=2E It's about 1/4 of my DPMT/PAPT packages=2E I suspect I'm not the only one=2E Your proposal is not cost free for the teams=2E Scott K