Path: csiph.com!feeder.erje.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!news.roellig-ltd.de!open-news-network.org!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.CARNet.hr!news.spin.it!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: =?UTF-8?B?TMOhc3psw7MgQsO2c3rDtnJtw6lueWkgKEdDUyk=?= Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python,linux.debian.bugs.dist Subject: Re: python-gevent, python-greenlet, debug packages, hurd, and testing. Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 06:40:02 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Original-To: peter green X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Tue Jul 24 04:33:59 2018 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.34 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, FOURLA=0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, MURPHY_SCAM1=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: DYN_NJABL=SKIP(0) NOT_IN_SBL_XBL_SPAMHAUS=-1.5 BL_NJABL=SKIP(-1.5) CL_IP_EQ_HELO_IP=-2 (check from: .gmail. - helo: .mail-yw0-f169.google. - helo-domain: .google.) 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[...] > Following the general principle that issues affecting release architectur= es in testing (python-gevent being unbuildable in testing) are more importa= nt than issues that only affect non-release architectures in unstable (some= uninstallable -dbg packages on hurd) I filed a removal request asking for = the old -dbg packages to be removed so that python-greenlet could migrate t= o testing. I cc'd the removal request to the "python-greenlet@packages.debi= an.org" maintainer alias in case the maintainer had any concerns. I plan to add back -dbg packages to python-greenlet. > Anyway Scott Kitterman (a ftp assistant) replied to my removal request wi= th the following. > >> It appears these are not being removed automatically because they are > >> depended on by out of date binaries on hurd. Can you clean them up > >> manually? > > This is certainly possible, but is deleting the -dbg packages really th= e best solution? > > For python debug packages to work, they need to run with the debug vers= ion of the python > > interpreter, which -dbgsym packages make no provision for. He is right, I shouldn't remove the -dbg packages from a Python package. > > Generally, for python packages, it's desirable to keep the traditional = -dbg packages. > > I am far from a python expert, I am just a random dd pushing on an issue = that I noticed as > a result of running a downstream distribution. > > So I am passing Scott's comment on to the package maintainer and to Debia= n's python > experts so that hopefully a descision can be taken to either tell the ftp= masters to > go ahead with the removal of the old dbg packages or to reintroduce the -= dbg packages > to the python-gevent and python-greenlet source packages. I didn't receive a reply from others, but I plan to re-add the -dbg packages for reasons mentioned above. > More generally I find it surprising that given that python apparently has= special > requirements regarding dbg packages this does not seem to be addressed in= the python > policy. It would be nice to add this to the Python policy. Regards, Laszlo/GCS