Path: csiph.com!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Piotr =?utf-8?Q?O=C5=BCarowski?= Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: Updated PEP 394 (python and python2 commands) Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 19:10:02 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Fri May 18 17:03:02 2018 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.75 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, LDO_WHITELIST=-5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate: -6.1 Mail-Followup-To: debian-python@lists.debian.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180223 X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15965 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20180518170216.pkxk44ipymh3jspv@sar0.p1otr.com Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 30 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 19:02:16 +0200 X-Original-Message-ID: <20180518170216.pkxk44ipymh3jspv@sar0.p1otr.com> X-Original-References: <6dc7af52-174f-04c5-9149-cc5affa8afb1@debian.org> <20180518091951.jk6gvppn7yxyx5zp@sar0.p1otr.com> <2129b34f-a837-2d14-4400-3fa44785885d@debian.org> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:10560 > who said, that we should rename packages? The only packages being dropped are > the python defaults packages. > > > > I refuse to do that work! > > There is no work in renaming the packages. It's about the dependency generation > and the shebang. the work in dh-python is not trivial. The work needed in thousands of packages (all Python related packages build depend on python{,-dev} or python-all{,-dev} is not as well. Rebuilding all binary packages means even more work (${python:Depends} is not always the only dependency)… and that's only a work in Debian. There are lots of packages outside Debian that will need to be updated… for what purpose exactly? To make it easier to propose later python2-foo binary package rename, like Fedora did? > > The only message it sends is that we don't think /usr/bin/python or > > python package is Python 2.7 anymore and that's definitely not the > > message I want to send. > > No, that's not what the PEP says. not yet. We all know that it will happen sooner or later, though. How about creating DEP-394 with a strong message that we have default Python 2.X and default Python 3.X interpreters and once 2.X will be gone. Python 3 will NOT become default Python 2.X? -- GPG: 1D2F A898 58DA AF62 1786 2DF7 AEF6 F1A2 A745 7645