Path: csiph.com!news.redatomik.org!aioe.org!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Ghislain Vaillant Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: pycharm package in debian Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 22:10:01 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Sun Oct 1 20:02:24 2017 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.699 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FOURLA=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate: -7 Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ky8BtAnKzEiPl9h5m1mJ28he5XZZVqixgFSTEQzN8OU=; b=FvOkUa01OlY0hpdCClA1WMN5Pn8GHnCm9AGVluVAE1PNA6gXjn1/YTBwID7eFIiKOL IOaPbAo5m7JMdS4s3XFPMD3pxAfsQG8Ms3njAJwq5lVFq+4M6lP2ZzR0x73i33nyoaG8 Af5KYK0hv40sU/JWTGBKl4iTelpzOZ49NPVXFV+0YaXKsMsAeNWtYCfK5NBTuuVQhPla DKpCvPWZm+Gn8FVY3Cz3ptuH8vH8WKmsonrDmgHCmHhdG++aIVIHDKdml4utRLO1RFBg NPEOMIJmG+ZIlWU1wfTrGVeShEgDmgFaU21FX5GbUFG39Qa5OOH0kwVypvNeGW6gL3wf IusQ== X-Google-Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ky8BtAnKzEiPl9h5m1mJ28he5XZZVqixgFSTEQzN8OU=; b=dHn1rI8jrG1a8jJesQ6hmmU6hjJdazujp4HlNnYT/86TyngRphj9l73EJSY/MHI+2X kAjKXJiE271QjVnZ7fsHPmsap2gvuo4SVJPylGtT1tPsZPe3T3xCc7tHmWd2vnG9XrgH c8LmRy0GLkDj+v0DqGu3FZSi96bAe0elx2PeMe8LMwvw/xm2fwDya3VE56PkVPcWVsTz CA+UvrIMkVExLjxPKgNGwLZRXM8nYz0nzCaI/Ozpvo3hTTyiJpwHB1+3/fKY6enYb6iF A06d/iTLeFaOKenn1Uc5/CLIQdlMrjUJcGNXTEG0fGo+fPx2kKzGwaC+bPdXMY2EdiDp QxzA== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaVYE1bKMnxZhWKEAeM+cOTS1CW2w4OfT59/5SrnGhEXPt6xwASJ XHi0ektXf8cOlrV3QqZZtT85MWcF X-Google-SMTP-Source: AOwi7QB7N80jE3OcULNxM3l3b47htiUAkvitUgvsbGMJBT8sNXuwzjBxkwYYyBkDp04E2a+jTBdwyQ== X-Received: by 10.28.133.2 with SMTP id h2mr5323415wmd.67.1506888128439; Sun, 01 Oct 2017 13:02:08 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15282 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/53b5ad01-7219-294c-dd3a-739c3409c39e@gmail.com Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 31 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2017 21:02:06 +0100 X-Original-Message-ID: <53b5ad01-7219-294c-dd3a-739c3409c39e@gmail.com> X-Original-References: <5804be2d-67fa-b7d3-1332-8b362f892b5e@laposte.net> <69cec3b4-0c04-9c9b-961b-a0a65b2d3cb5@gmail.com> <17971bbc-8896-0b60-2d7a-169929a5cb35@gmail.com> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:9900 On 01/10/17 20:33, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 10/01/2017 09:47 AM, Ghislain Vaillant wrote: >> Besides, rrom an end-user perspective, I can't picture anyone preferring >> the (potentially lagging) packaged version over more official means like >> the Jetbrains app or the snap package, both of which have been good at >> keeping up with updates. > > I definitively prefer a Debian package in main, even if it is "lagging > behind" as you said. For such a thing as an IDE, I expect it to be > mature enough so that the older version is enough for the everyday use. > And I would feel safer than using any random snap package. Who knows > what security issue is in there and what security policy and procedure > (if any) is in place. You guessed it there are none. Confinement is disabled for the pycharm snap, so it behaves like any other application installed via a deb package. >> Don't get me wrong, I understand the rationales from a DFSG perspective. >> I am just questioning whether users of this particular piece of software >> would particularly care. > > I at least would care. And would very much welcome anyone doing the work > of packaging and maintaining this kind of software. Don't get me wrong, I would welcome such effort too. I just wanted to emphasize the implication and level of commitment that such effort would require. We have been there with eclipse and atom, the former is (still) lagging quite badly, and the latter was stopped at the initial packaging stage. Ghis