Path: csiph.com!news.redatomik.org!aioe.org!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Ghislain Vaillant Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: pycharm package in debian Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 09:50:01 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Original-To: Paul Wise , kamaraju kusumanchi X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Sun Oct 1 07:47:55 2017 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.699 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FOURLA=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate: -7 Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9jcL/tiTepzBDt5+UyXPKUlv89+MdRm3EIJ0Kq02UuA=; b=p7QJjfjaot2Rf/g6KxtD5arqMYtzMlNsoE3E3DV6hLEA9USRlCZ9JDKwD/d04wuw16 q5f7dDek1Lv6THIouLZpVC0zeZodoEuZ/vZrKWG6lQeZfBB3KioLAlvmcY3pSlKlF8C8 G7qH6W1KUoZhG8PsRF2D7mNhT2zDoyUwN1pDWhXpev+QhmIGaoF25+uJaWSSSRLEPnU3 DdiQ27xmRmD3oKUxSyMkLZFTqb0+xPqdYl7BhCG5rhbLb21AVRheFVXlWdlu4yRJY2pD xd0gD+MRm2A2HDid4UCN6GdmLysolj/AfgP5uJiDHZ+shJEeru7OheTIdej+noS/vD5d YpiQ== X-Google-Dkim-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9jcL/tiTepzBDt5+UyXPKUlv89+MdRm3EIJ0Kq02UuA=; b=pBxcUC0vnRvUQ4a0ML+dR5WjiFFDTOAl/oKi2wytt7p8XQOkBw0KI8/wGnxgWAZgsU k/6HBGmGUmZh3FXJJfeZ2s0LDP/aJuq10xhX/nm2yY+70OOq1C5gAT2l9TpFepNTyBtJ jb57XigzgONQeSCV6TBk8XNsDeCM/so7u9R5SjCPrSwesdoCnCubQAED2ge9g9cA+qwr lmuiLkcQF9JkMecTWaDZCdCUcVP/oZSSegvGXceaDhhq99+bnJjdkRNOqYZBeRsz51Ky N+o4fv3mETYBBiUDdTeI61bZMTBBY9TPIIEdfI4Ycx1pZpMAHZ8cUzOhvEqLbtUFdvDg VUUA== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaWasgLp3+hIK0DOWFG1YVl35Gfls9FEqhVa8qtqb4KT4UmW4W9l jr1JdXwflAq9cULpOCIe8L+mDFUU X-Google-SMTP-Source: AOwi7QDtF0unEbU7dhLhp04VNgijtaOxhbRg6myqMPdlsrYYnFkiKyIV5vLVXdZwlFOO4ebQLqh7Tw== X-Received: by 10.28.109.29 with SMTP id i29mr4739831wmc.32.1506844038884; Sun, 01 Oct 2017 00:47:18 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15273 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/17971bbc-8896-0b60-2d7a-169929a5cb35@gmail.com Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 27 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Cc: debian-python X-Original-Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2017 08:47:17 +0100 X-Original-Message-ID: <17971bbc-8896-0b60-2d7a-169929a5cb35@gmail.com> X-Original-References: <5804be2d-67fa-b7d3-1332-8b362f892b5e@laposte.net> <69cec3b4-0c04-9c9b-961b-a0a65b2d3cb5@gmail.com> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:9891 On 01/10/17 08:38, Paul Wise wrote: > On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Ghislain Vaillant wrote: > >> May I ask what would be the benefit for pycharm to be in Debian, when we >> already have the official Jetbrains Toolbox App or the snap package as means >> to install and update the application? > > I've never heard of the first of those, definitely wouldn't use the > snap package and probably not the Jetbrains thing, unless either of > them were built entirely from packages in Debian main, which I am > assuming they aren't ever going to be. Sure, though I foresee the sheer amount of packaging work to get this sort of app in the archive to be quite a challenge, both from an initial packaging and on-going maintenance effort. Look at what happened with eclipse for instance. Besides, rrom an end-user perspective, I can't picture anyone preferring the (potentially lagging) packaged version over more official means like the Jetbrains app or the snap package, both of which have been good at keeping up with updates. Don't get me wrong, I understand the rationales from a DFSG perspective. I am just questioning whether users of this particular piece of software would particularly care. Ghis